What's up with the sun?

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Geek news now, and those of you who know me a little better than most will know I have random and bizarre interests. No, not those ones, but in this case, astronomy.

Just the one star is proving particularly interesting at the moment - the sun - and if things carry on they way they are, this will become more mainstream news; I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been picked up so far.

Bear with me on this. There will be science bits.

There is a solar cycle. The solar cycle is generally approximately 11 years and within that 11 years the sun moves from quiet (solar minimum) to active (maximum) and back again. The basic measurement of this is sunspots. Solar minimum = very few; solar maximum = lots.

The last solar cycle (cycle 23 since measurements began) was declared by NASA to have reached minimum in 2006. I was going to provide a link to that article but since it appeared on the excellent wattsupwiththat.com website this morning it has curiously been removed from NASA's site.

So, we should be well into solar cycle 24. There should be quite a few sunspots by now... but there are not (and those we are seeing would never have been visible at all to scientists from centuries ago). In fact the sun shows few signs of moving into solar cycle 24. Predictions keep on being revised to the point where they're nothing more than guesswork.

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Now. What does this mean? Well no one is really sure. However there was a period of around 50 years with very few sunspots in the 17th century. That period coincides with what is known as "the little ice age". Temperatures dropped and as Blue Peter viewers of a certain age will know the Thames froze lots. Winters were bitterly cold.

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The impact of the solar cycle on climate is not something that is understood much at all, but could the worry of global warming suddenly become a worry of global cooling?

Soon, I predict, sput's views on the matter.
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You're going to get mine first and yes, he will have something to say being a scientist in some field he never mentions and no, it's not the one near the back of his house.

This is why I don't call it global warming, it's not going to always result in warmer surface temperatures. That and this has fark all to do with climate change or at least not of the anthropogenic variety we should be guilty about.
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I shall comment in a few months when that graph has enough data on it, you can't really go drawing anything from it yet, especially with the amount of scatter about that smoothed line. Also, I'm sure I don't need to point out there's nothing in the science of climate change that precludes the sun causing changes too.

Oh and YAY at a good science thread, well done Simsim!

Oh and Nini: Atmospheric Physics :)
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Give it a couple of years more and then we should have some idea, from what I gather on these things the solar cycle takes a bit of 'kicking into gear' which could explain the delay of the start of 24. If by the end of 2011 the sun remains blotchless then perhaps we should be 'concerned'.

It'll be interesting to compare the Mean UK temperature for this winter, with other start of cycle temperatures later in the year though.

There's bound to be a repeat of the little ice age at sometime though, I'm sure of that.
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Sput wrote:Oh and Nini: Atmospheric Physics :)
Shit, just had to be your field... kinda.

I demand more science.
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I find all this stuff fascinating, I don't know why, it's just come on recently. If you can catch it any time, look out for Journey to the Edge of the Universe on the National Geographic Channel - some of it is just mind-blowingly amazing.

I'd like to know more on this subject. Come on Sputtybaby, fact us till we fart.
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all new Phil wrote:I'd like to know more on this subject. Come on Sputtybaby, fact us till we fart.
Try this one for size, Phillybaby: After its creation inside the sun, light takes about one million years to reach the surface and escape.
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Interesting thread but I came in here expecting a rant against The Sun newspaper, not Solar Cycles :roll:
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aeonsource wrote:Interesting thread but I came in here expecting a rant against The Sun newspaper, not Solar Cycles :roll:
If your mind works in a way that gives more prominence to a trashy tabloid owned by an Australian megalomaniac rather than the big yellow star in the sky that keeps the planet warm and which is fundamental to life on earth, perhaps it's time to rethink things.
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Technically he's american.
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Sput wrote:Technically he's american.
Ah. Well, the rest stands.
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