Don' t you mean First London, Now England!Nini wrote:First London, now the rest of the UK.
So are Labour on their way out?
Why? Because he's got the same accent? Fucking grow up.barcode wrote:No: sorry, I, and I dare say a lot of Scottish would rather have GB:Mr Q wrote:Better than a PM who doesn't seem to govern anybody - including his own party.barcode wrote:( its not like the Tories ever have :roll: , so that Tony blair look alike it talking out of his arse if he think he will be a PM for the whole of the uk, )
Gordon Brown has long abandoned any claims he laid to being a man of the people. His delusions are quite spectacular; his news conference, where he said "through no fault of their own" that MPs and council workers had been voted out was basically saying the electorate were twats for wanting to send a clear message to get the fuck out of office.
I would rather have a dimmer than average rhesus monkey in charge than Gordon Brown. In fact, I think Hartlepool tried it, and he did a very good job compared to the current shower in Westminster.
FIne, expect them to lose it soon enough, the country will turn blue (except for Scotland) and the sky will turn red should my tea leaves be right.barcode wrote:I would say about the same, better then England but not as good in scotland.
Do remember last year, labour took control of the NEW Durham council last year,
I beg you pardon? REALLY? maybe get some facts here. No that is not the reason, and still you taking about english matters here. maybe is my fault for not making it clear.James H wrote:Why? Because he's got the same accent? Fucking grow up..barcode wrote:No: sorry, I, and I dare say a lot of Scottish would rather have GB:Mr Q wrote: Better than a PM who doesn't seem to govern anybody - including his own party.
In scotland: most people would rather have GB not because he's Scottish but because there would rather him even if he going into melt down and his "delusions are quite spectacular" over a dam tory!
The hatred for the Tories up is still strong, if a monkey and a Tory was up for election, I dare say the monkey would get a landslide!
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I thought the SNP were in power in Scotland. Chap called Alex Salmond, remember him?
Surely that vote is the best true representation of what the Scottish people want.
The Scots as true leaders once again. They kicked Labour out before the English could get round to it.
Surely that vote is the best true representation of what the Scottish people want.
The Scots as true leaders once again. They kicked Labour out before the English could get round to it.
Yes, but do you know WHY you would vote GB in again? I know there's a lot of bitterness over Thatcher but remember she did what she did (certainly in my area) because of the pisspoor economic mismanagement and overspending of the LABOUR government before her. And it's happened again. Why would Tories cut public spending? Because the public can't afford to be taxed more than they're being now.barcode wrote:I beg you pardon? REALLY? maybe get some facts here. No that is not the reason, and still you taking about english matters here. maybe is my fault for not making it clear.James H wrote:Why? Because he's got the same accent? Fucking grow up..barcode wrote: No: sorry, I, and I dare say a lot of Scottish would rather have GB:
In scotland: most people would rather have GB not because he's Scottish but because there would rather him even if he going into melt down and his "delusions are quite spectacular" over a dam tory!
The hatred for the Tories up is still strong, if a monkey and a Tory was up for election, I dare say the monkey would get a landslide!
You don't vote for Brown, you vote for Labour and they choose the party leader. That's what people seem to have forgotten when they get all enraged about him not being elected. Anyway, what possible reasons for voting conservative could you actually give? All we have are nebulous things like "oh we're more efficient" and "change" messages emanating from them? Efficiency is subject to the law of diminishing returns and I think the idea that conservatism is synonymous with efficiency is bunkum. And as far as I recall, they haven't promised to cut loads of taxes while reining in this public spending. You're falling into their trap there, H.
You don't get to have good services and not pay for them, and I'd go so far as to argue that these sorts of times are when public spending is useful, both in terms of support services for people struggling, economic stimulation and of course saving the banking system (which I will reiterate: they are broadly recognised to have worked). Brown's biggest failure seems to be as a politician rather than as a head of state.
You don't get to have good services and not pay for them, and I'd go so far as to argue that these sorts of times are when public spending is useful, both in terms of support services for people struggling, economic stimulation and of course saving the banking system (which I will reiterate: they are broadly recognised to have worked). Brown's biggest failure seems to be as a politician rather than as a head of state.
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I think it's fair to say that whoever wins government, taxes will have to rise in some form, and public spending will have to be cut. It's not going to happen during the current phase in the economic cycle - this is when you would expect governments to run budget deficits - but as the recovery eventuates, then tough decisions (and I mean that in the true sense of that term - not merely as political branding) will need to be made.
Extended periods of prosperity make us all complacent. But this is probably truer for politicians, with their innate short term bias, than it is for the general public. So they start throwing money at various causes and projects, with little regard for whether they make good long term investments. When you've got high tax receipts, that doesn't seem too bad - but then when the money dries up in a downturn, you've got to sacrifice them (and accept the resulting voter outrage from those groups who were - whether justified or not - beneficiaries). And of course, all this is exacerbated if the government of the day has done nothing to prepare for future economic contractions. And in my view that was Gordon Brown's greatest single failure as Chancellor - simply put, he failed to prepare for the rainy days that were to come. Left without an umbrella, he and Britain are forced to bear the full brunt of the current storm.
Extended periods of prosperity make us all complacent. But this is probably truer for politicians, with their innate short term bias, than it is for the general public. So they start throwing money at various causes and projects, with little regard for whether they make good long term investments. When you've got high tax receipts, that doesn't seem too bad - but then when the money dries up in a downturn, you've got to sacrifice them (and accept the resulting voter outrage from those groups who were - whether justified or not - beneficiaries). And of course, all this is exacerbated if the government of the day has done nothing to prepare for future economic contractions. And in my view that was Gordon Brown's greatest single failure as Chancellor - simply put, he failed to prepare for the rainy days that were to come. Left without an umbrella, he and Britain are forced to bear the full brunt of the current storm.
