Thousands die in Iraq.
Millions struggle to cope with worldwide recession.
Assisted suicide debate is brought up in the news again.
A member of TVF and MP has recently died.
Clearly all less important than a few tighter restrictions on posting on a BBC Messageboard.
Mozo, I'd like to introduce you to my friend perspective. I don't believe you've met him before, or even sensed him. Get to know him and your life online (and in the real world) may improve.
Dr James x
Ever feel some posters on the BBC site are idiots?
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James - I think that now we have reached a common understanding of the events of the last few days in respect of the "BBC Black Ops" sticker, further sabre rattling is unnecessary and counter-productive.
Perspective is indeed a marvellous thing, but its entirely subjective. Analogies to those killed in war or by illness are entirely irrelevant to someone seeking an answer to a question about the BBC.
Lets keep it on-track, please.
Perspective is indeed a marvellous thing, but its entirely subjective. Analogies to those killed in war or by illness are entirely irrelevant to someone seeking an answer to a question about the BBC.
Lets keep it on-track, please.
My apologies but I meant perspective in terms of relative importance in the grand scheme of things. And something so relatively unimportant seemed fairly undeserving of a 7+ page discussion.
Ah, well. We've all had a lovely time, I suppose.
Ah, well. We've all had a lovely time, I suppose.
Actually Gavin, James makes some good points and it probably won't surprise him to know that I've heard them all before. But I don't compartmentalise my world view. If you grade causes by a set of values you surely end up with some that will never get off the bottom of the to-do list. That then leads to small problems that eventually become big ones.James H wrote:
Mozo, I'd like to introduce you to my friend perspective. I don't believe you've met him before, or even sensed him. Get to know him and your life online (and in the real world) may improve.
Dr James x
There's that famous poem that starts "They came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist"
Presumably James you have a handy sliding scale of perspective that tells you at what point an issue becomes worth your energy. But you forget that we all have one, and they are of course all different.
Anyway, you don't know me and you don't know what other issues I give just as much time to and I'm certainly not going to dignify your jibes by trotting them out here like some sort of social conscience baseball cap.
Have a nice weekend everybody.
It's not that - I'm finding the topic quite interesting, just not so much your going round in circles about the BBC.Mozo wrote:Sorry Jovis, I didn't notice until just then that I had this gun to your head forcing you to read them.
Short enough for you?
Could you respond my other point?
The answer is, I don’t know.Jovis wrote: Could you respond my other point?
I really don't have the convoluted causality convictions that you all seem to think I do about whatever Jem chose to do or not to do or if that was a ‘conspiracy’ or not. I’m not analysing his behaviour that forensically, although many people have delighted in doing so on this thread supposedly on my behalf.
The term Black Ops refers to something that could be seen as quite unsavoury behaviour in the context of other things going on at the BBC at the moment, especially in the vicinity of where Jem works. At the very least it seemed to me to betray a rather inappropriate attitude.
When I first saw the images containing the phrase I asked the question on a BBC MB thread as it seemed relevant at the time. I really just expected a straightforward answer. Instead Jem avoided answering for weeks and has taken until now to post a begrudging reply on a thread outside of the BBC when , as you say, he could simply have dealt with it weeks ago on the relevant BBC MB thread. He says its just a lame joke. I suppose only time and the future actions of his department will tell if that’s true or not.
As for why he chose to avoid the question on the 6MMB and restrict my posting rights when I asked about it, I guess you'd have to ask him.
I'm sorry, but from reading your posts here, and on the POV forums, this doesn't seem the case. Fair enough, I post (occaisionally) on here, so could be part of the "collective thought". I would recommend you get someone you know, and trust, who doesn't know about the subject matter, to review both our posts, and yours, and tell you what they think. You have come across as someone who, while a good conversationist (I would quite happily argue with you, as all of your points come with reasoning and thought, unlike many people who post exactly what they think is wrong with the internet/BBC), has decided on a viewpoint which affects how you see Jem's activities and behaviour. This could well be based on the opinions of other poster's you have been with on the message boards, but from an outside point of view, they seem biased and persecutative.Mozo wrote:I really don't have the convoluted causality convictions that you all seem to think I do about whatever Jem chose to do or not to do or if that was a ‘conspiracy’ or not. I’m not analysing his behaviour that forensically, although many people have delighted in doing so on this thread supposedly on my behalf.
On a seperate note, I noticed a thread on the POV boards today, asking why someone's post had been removed from a thread on the TV boards of the POV site. It turn's out that the person had posted a spoiler about the programme under discussion, against the rules of the site. This didn't seem to stop several of the regular (from my experience of browsing the site) members complaining about the moderation policies, how the BBC is getting stickter about topics and the hosts doing their jobs properly. Programme in question? Lost. Geniune question here - why is my licence fee money being spent by the BBC on moderating messages about Sky programmes? I don't pay for Sky, and I'm happy about that (maybe the commercial subscription and Sky HD to all channels at work helps), so why should I have to pay to have people moderate people (who had broken the house rules) talking about that programme?
Finally, Mozo - you have some strong viewpoints about the BBC. This isn't unusual! What is unusual is your abilty to take your views and organise them into logical statements and arguments, something which a lot of people with stronger views than you have expressed here could learn from. For that reason alone, I hope you hang around here and get involved in other topics.
dosxuk - My views are based on an 18 month struggle, along with a significant number of other people, to get the BBC to take even the slightest bit of notice of audience opinion. That's an acceptable position for a commercial broadcaster but not for a publicly funded one.
With respect, there's a lot more that’s gone on in the background that I've not brought out in my discussions here, simply because I don't want to add power to the elbow of those that would prefer to write me off as a tin foil hat wearing loony. I was simply saying that I’m not a conspiracy theorist. To be honest I don’t think the BBC are that artful. Otherwise they wouldn’t have dropped as many bollocks as publicly as they have of late. I do however think that over the last several years they've gradually become more arrogant, complacent and riddled with self interest.
I won't deny that at this point I do have a much lower opinion of the BBC than I had when I first got involved. I also think, based on what I've seen and read, that there's a lot going in the corporation that really doesn't do its proud history any favours. I think we all know of the many recent incidents that bear this out. An institution that has its finger on the pulse, with a committed and professional management base, simply doesn't do the sort of things they have been found guilty of over the past 2 years.
I think the way they are trying to circumvent the opportunities that new media offers is also indicative of that mindset. In my opinion Jem is just part of the process but I think his attitude both here and on the BBC boards bears out my overall opinion. Although I know you probably won’t agree with that, in the end its all subjective.
Anyway thanks for the comments in the final part of your post and I share your hope that we can have a reasonable discussion about many of these issues when the opportunity arises. I'd also welcome a sensible exchange of views with Jem if he's up for it.
With respect, there's a lot more that’s gone on in the background that I've not brought out in my discussions here, simply because I don't want to add power to the elbow of those that would prefer to write me off as a tin foil hat wearing loony. I was simply saying that I’m not a conspiracy theorist. To be honest I don’t think the BBC are that artful. Otherwise they wouldn’t have dropped as many bollocks as publicly as they have of late. I do however think that over the last several years they've gradually become more arrogant, complacent and riddled with self interest.
I won't deny that at this point I do have a much lower opinion of the BBC than I had when I first got involved. I also think, based on what I've seen and read, that there's a lot going in the corporation that really doesn't do its proud history any favours. I think we all know of the many recent incidents that bear this out. An institution that has its finger on the pulse, with a committed and professional management base, simply doesn't do the sort of things they have been found guilty of over the past 2 years.
I think the way they are trying to circumvent the opportunities that new media offers is also indicative of that mindset. In my opinion Jem is just part of the process but I think his attitude both here and on the BBC boards bears out my overall opinion. Although I know you probably won’t agree with that, in the end its all subjective.
Anyway thanks for the comments in the final part of your post and I share your hope that we can have a reasonable discussion about many of these issues when the opportunity arises. I'd also welcome a sensible exchange of views with Jem if he's up for it.