BNP data leak

Ebeneezer Scrooge · Thu 20 Nov, 2008 09.07

I was fairly surprised in the amount of non-native English surnames there are on the list...

Alexia · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 00.16

Ebeneezer Scrooge wrote:I was fairly surprised in the amount of non-native English surnames there are on the list...

Which completely exposes the irrational and baseless argument that the BNP is based on. They say that the white majority are indigenous to this island, when in fact, Britain has been invaded more times than possibly any other country in the world. We have a mix of German, Danish, French, Italian, Scottish, Irish, native Celtic and other blood coursing through our DNA, which has resulted in the most mongrel race possibly on this planet. No matter how you frame it, no matter how much "cultural identity" you flag up and promote, nothing can deny this simple fact of genetics. If the BNP could get over the racial purity chip on their shoulder and actually promote some less-emotive and more realistic and related to the modern day, they may get more supporters.

Stuart* · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 10.20

There are obviously two separate issues to be considered when forming an opinion about the leak of the BNP membership list:

It’s quite easy for those of us who disagree with BNP policies to view this as a fateful event which may now force some people to express publicly their hitherto unknown feelings - if they could possibly have an influence on their effectiveness at work.

Additionally, there is the issue of data security and the right for people to have their personal details kept private; also to have their own freedom of thought (and political beliefs) in the privacy of their own home within the law.

A legal organisation such as the BNP expects, and should receive, the same protection as any other in the UK. That’s the price of ‘free speech’ in a modern democracy. We must accept that, unless the BNP are proved to have done something which removes that protection through due process of law, then they retain those rights afforded to all of us.

Righteous indignation at BNP policies, and the ‘lynch mob’ mentality, displayed on some internet chat rooms in the last few days is no better than that conjured up by paedophile address rumours/revelations in the national press 10 years ago. It reduces the perpetrators, no matter how morally well-intentioned in most eyes, to no better than those they attack.

People have a right to protect their personal information. We cannot deny that the right of BNP members in that respect has been breached. Whether these people are flag-waving activists or passive financial supporters isn’t really any of our business. Hopefully none of their kind will ever come to power in this country, and we therefore won’t face the terror of ‘thought crime’ becoming legal - which is being considered by many at the moment according to their statements.

Ronnie Rowlands · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 11.46

Stumbled across this on my travels. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4t ... re=related

Alexia · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 12.19

Ronnie Rowlands wrote:Stumbled across this on my travels. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4t ... re=related

So her contribution to British history is that her ancestors were a navvy and a sewing-machine on legs?

Stuart* · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 13.16

Ronnie Rowlands wrote:Stumbled across this on my travels. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4t ... re=related

What strange travels you have, Ronnie!

I should mention I was woken up by you last night, Ronnie, as I was dozing on the sofa watching some repeat of ‘Silent Witness’ on UK Blah!. You suggested that I made a contribution to the BNP thread on Metro; as a result I woke up this morning thinking about the topic and posted a reply or two. You are to blame for all of my contributions in this thread! Tsk!

The fundamental problem with the argument of the woman in the video is that she sees the human species as a collection of separate ‘races’. She could possibly argue that has been encouraged by continued legislation defining such differences in the name of equality, but from an anthropological point she’s on a 'sticky wicket', unless she's prepared to deny the 'Africa Origin' theory which many now accept.

As a fellow board member mentioned earlier: the British Isles have been a collection of possibly the most diverse ethnic population for millennia.

What the woman from that video forgot to mention is that we ‘British’ then went ahead and infiltrated a quarter of the globe with our culture, language, beliefs and system of government. Yes, we should be rightly proud of that achievement as part of our heritage, with perhaps many regrets about the methods employed.

But perhaps some of our ‘British’ technology, transport ingenuity and innovation led towards the global society we are seeing develop now; and all for the betterment of humankind, not individual ‘races’, the differences between which we can see eroded by every generation. I don't see any disadvantages with that stage of evolution.

Nationalism must not be confused with patriotism, which can obviously be a positive tool, and was employed to good effect during the Second World War. Some have claimed that we are denying that heritage by opening our borders so willingly to those from the rest of the EU and the rest of the world.

The UK is a nice place to live, we wouldn’t all be here otherwise. It’s safe and secure, but by no means perfect. Obviously it’s a place other people want to come to live in, but that again is something we should be proud of. I think it’s fair that perhaps we increase border controls, as we can’t afford to pay for everyone who sees the UK as ‘utopia’, otherwise we’ll suffocate under the strain. However, draconian restrictions won’t help the rest of the world open their borders.

Australia had some immigration restrictions during the 70s, which my Mum failed for health reasons, otherwise I'd be an Aussie now, but they were still trying to populate a rapidly growing country and had the chance to take the best available. The world doesn't operate in such isolated bubbles anymore; people who support the BNP will realise that in the end.

not-ShowbizGuru · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 15.31

Stuart* wrote:People have a right to protect their personal information. We cannot deny that the right of BNP members in that respect has been breached.

Absolute rubbish, privacy is NOT, repeat NOT, a right. You have the choice to get into this thing and you have to bear the consequences when they blow up in your face.

What two faced bastards to play the privacy card when they've been secretly supporting such views, they will get what they deserve and without threatening them I say I would not miss them if they were murdered.

If you want privacy, get it for yourself, DO NOT join parties and then say you just wanted it as your own dirty little secret!

Sput · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 15.37

You're posting stuff I disagree with showbizguru, so how would you like it if I published your e-mail address? I suspect you wouldn't. So where do you draw the line between acceptable for privacy and too reprehensible for it?

Charlie Wells · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 16.01

ShowbizGuru wrote:
Stuart* wrote:People have a right to protect their personal information. We cannot deny that the right of BNP members in that respect has been breached.
Absolute rubbish, privacy is NOT, repeat NOT, a right. You have the choice to get into this thing and you have to bear the consequences when they blow up in your face.

What two faced bastards to play the privacy card when they've been secretly supporting such views, they will get what they deserve and without threatening them I say I would not miss them if they were murdered.

If you want privacy, get it for yourself, DO NOT join parties and then say you just wanted it as your own dirty little secret!

So I assume you approve of this...
Car fire near BNP-list man's home
Article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... cYCAIJUc4w

Stuart* · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 17.01

ShowbizGuru wrote:
Stuart* wrote:People have a right to protect their personal information. We cannot deny that the right of BNP members in that respect has been breached.
Absolute rubbish, privacy is NOT, repeat NOT, a right. You have the choice to get into this thing and you have to bear the consequences when they blow up in your face.

What two faced bastards to play the privacy card when they've been secretly supporting such views, they will get what they deserve and without threatening them I say I would not miss them if they were murdered.

If you want privacy, get it for yourself, DO NOT join parties and then say you just wanted it as your own dirty little secret!

You are trying to argue a political policy with me Showbizguru when I am simply stating a point of law.

Privacy is most certainly enshrined in both Data Protection Acts. What has been released about the BNP on the internet is illegal, in terms of the DPA, but I'm not sure why people are mentioning Human Rights. I'm sure the BNP can't claim under that, at the end of the day it was just loss of data from a private organisation through their own fault.

The only claim people have is against the BNP who lost their details!

not-ShowbizGuru · Fri 21 Nov, 2008 18.27

Sput wrote:You're posting stuff I disagree with showbizguru, so how would you like it if I published your e-mail address? I suspect you wouldn't. So where do you draw the line between acceptable for privacy and too reprehensible for it?

Really? I couldn't care less.

Like you noted, I use a Proxie to browse public web sites just, because of people like you who post email addresses and IP's. I don't do things that have a reasonable risk of my privacy or security being damaged.

So before you "suspect" me of being a total hipocryte, think. OK?