There's a nice quote for Hilary - she's just said live:
"George Bush is the lamest of lame ducks".
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this Mirc thing tonight, but if I'm free then I shall.
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Oh come on Gav, I'll even bring popcorn!Gavin Scott wrote:There's a nice quote for Hilary - she's just said live:
"George Bush is the lamest of lame ducks".
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this Mirc thing tonight, but if I'm free then I shall.
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Tempting indeed. I have my mate coming round, although he's promising to bring German flu (don't ask), so maybe I'll shoo him away at the door and come here.Isonstine wrote:Oh come on Gav, I'll even bring popcorn!Gavin Scott wrote:There's a nice quote for Hilary - she's just said live:
"George Bush is the lamest of lame ducks".
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do this Mirc thing tonight, but if I'm free then I shall.
This discussion is very intersting, but I don't actaully think any of us are in a position to make a judgment here. As non-Americans, our interests lie in preserving our own economies. So I think that's a key reason behind Mr Q's "Obama's No-Free-Trade is Bad" argument: regulated trade is bad for other countries, and debateably good for America. In some respects, that makes us more impartial observers; in others, it makes our discussion completely artifical. That doesn't stop it from being interesting, but as our interests lie in very different areas to those who are going to the polls, this discussion is of a fundamentally differnet nature to that going on in America.
While race is an issue, I believe an equally large one to be that of religion. (Of course, the two are fundamentally connected). Personally, I view religious fanaticism to be one of the defining marks of a backward nation. The UK is mostly secular. By contrast, the US is hugely Christian. When you think about it, why should Obama even have to "deny" that he is a Muslim? - it should make no difference to how a country is led. The "War on Terror" has done nothing to help this, and everything to polarise it further: non-Christians are viewed not only as unenlightened, but also as hostile. The sense that a voter betrays his religion by electing a non-Christian leader is bizarre; and the world should have moved on from this a long time ago. But if asserting Christianity wins votes, you can expect politicans to play up to it; and given that the vast majority of people maintain the religion of their parents, it'll be a cold day in Hell before it changes.
As for the arguments of Lukey and Stuart*, I don't disagree. However, I think people presenting such arguments do as much as the "Racists" to make it an issue. By presenting an Obama defeat as a victory for Racism, they present a view which is not "non-Racist"; merely the converse. The right attitude, in my opinion, is indifference - it should be of the lowest possibly priority. But I would argue that it has such a high place in the agenda because such tokens of nationalism - race and religion - are the fundamental fabric of human nature, and as such much easier concepts to grasp than those that actaully matter.
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While race is an issue, I believe an equally large one to be that of religion. (Of course, the two are fundamentally connected). Personally, I view religious fanaticism to be one of the defining marks of a backward nation. The UK is mostly secular. By contrast, the US is hugely Christian. When you think about it, why should Obama even have to "deny" that he is a Muslim? - it should make no difference to how a country is led. The "War on Terror" has done nothing to help this, and everything to polarise it further: non-Christians are viewed not only as unenlightened, but also as hostile. The sense that a voter betrays his religion by electing a non-Christian leader is bizarre; and the world should have moved on from this a long time ago. But if asserting Christianity wins votes, you can expect politicans to play up to it; and given that the vast majority of people maintain the religion of their parents, it'll be a cold day in Hell before it changes.
As for the arguments of Lukey and Stuart*, I don't disagree. However, I think people presenting such arguments do as much as the "Racists" to make it an issue. By presenting an Obama defeat as a victory for Racism, they present a view which is not "non-Racist"; merely the converse. The right attitude, in my opinion, is indifference - it should be of the lowest possibly priority. But I would argue that it has such a high place in the agenda because such tokens of nationalism - race and religion - are the fundamental fabric of human nature, and as such much easier concepts to grasp than those that actaully matter.
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