However he would have cheaper talktime minutes than anyone else. Which means he might call people more often. So people wouldn't need to be around him because he would be able to call them for less.Sput wrote:because no-one would want to be around you.
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The papers containing said ruling are in a bag somewhere in Heathrow Terminal 5.Jovis wrote:Don't Ofcom have a rule whereby StuartPlymouth cannot own a telephone? Or was that abolished at the start of the year along with everything else?
Never has the word "terminal" meant so much in so apt a context.
Yes, but I can upgrade to handsets and packages of Orange's choosing not my own. I would still be under contract for another 6 months so they weren't going to bend over backwards and upgrade me to a premium handset if I didn't have the option of leaving without paying them off.12 months into an 18 month contract with Orange you can renew (ie upgrade - read the small print)
I am aware of that, but the concencus seems to be that whilst you can port from one network to another, you cannot port between different agreements on the same network, hence the O2 stopgap.your mobile number is portable to any network anytime (by Ofcom rules)
I didn't claim that Phones 4U were significantly put out by letting a PAYG SIM slip through their fingers, but it's served it's purpose so I don't really care.not sure what the messing about was with O2, but my mate in Saltash has a pocket full of O2 SIMs he got on t'internet for nothing with a £10 credit on them; you find them dropped in cracks in the pavement they are so commonly available around here!
In what way? I got out of my old contract without bearing any of the cost myself, got the handset I wanted, and got to keep my number. How exactly have they screwed me over?cwathen wrote:They saw you coming alright!Fair enough it was a bit messy; as always, you are given money to buy yourself out and have to pay off your old contract yourself (but it was at least cash in hand) and as the new contract was also on Orange I had to port off to another network and then back on to Orange again (but they threw in a free O2 pay as you go SIM so that I wouldn't be out of pocket doing this) and I ended up with the older Silver N95 rather than the newer black 8GB model (although I've since decided that the original is a better product anyway).
Sadly, 'probably' followed by an asertion does not an argument make. I've started a new 18 month contract, not 24.So you are now on an Orange contract (which you were before) but now probably 24months. You didn't get the phone you wanted, and your number was strangely ported to O2 and back again (even though the process takes 2 days minimum). And you stayed on Dolphin35 at only an extra £5 a month!
And actually slightly less than £5 extra per month - my old Dolphin 35 was an ex. vat deal so I was actually paying £41.13 per month. I'm now on Lobster 45 (or something) but paying £45 inc. vat per month, so over the life of the contract. Over the entire 18 months of the contract (assuming I don't downgrade), I'm going to be paying £69.66 more than my old one - hardly a major increase (and because I have so much more included, it wouldn't surprise me if actual bills went down).
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Oh well, if I have a plank I might as well bang a few nails in it and start knocking people around the head with it
Yes, they were going to bend over backwards (and did), because you were upgrading your talk plan at the same time. You went from a Dolphin35 to a Panther45, which you could've done on day 2 of your previous contract, but without a handset upgrade. You haven't "bought-out of your old contract for nothing", you have simply replaced and upgraded it - a common practice, certainly with Orange.cwathen wrote:Yes, but I can upgrade to handsets and packages of Orange's choosing not my own. I would still be under contract for another 6 months so they weren't going to bend over backwards and upgrade me to a premium handset if I didn't have the option of leaving without paying them off.StuartPlymouth wrote:12 months into an 18 month contract with Orange you can renew (ie upgrade - read the small print)
The handset upgrade is determined by the rating Orange hold for your account: dependent on size of bill, payments being on time and length of continuous connection to their network. You can have any handset you want, but sometimes they charge if it's above your threshold. They are always willing to write off the upgrade fee to keep a customer, I used to do that quite often.
All Orange talkplans are inclusive of VAT. Your Dolphin35 was therefore set up incorrectly if you were paying more for the actual tarrif (You should question your previous bills). If you now have the correct talkplan for your usage (Panther45 - not lobster)then your bills should indeed go down as you shouldn't be exceeding the call/data/text limits.cwathen wrote:And actually slightly less than £5 extra per month - my old Dolphin 35 was an ex. vat deal so I was actually paying £41.13 per month. I'm now on Lobster 45 (or something) but paying £45 inc. vat per month, so over the life of the contract. Over the entire 18 months of the contract (assuming I don't downgrade), I'm going to be paying £69.66 more than my old one - hardly a major increase (and because I have so much more included, it wouldn't surprise me if actual bills went down).
Not true. There was no need for any porting to take place here at all! I'm not familiar with the handset you had before, or changed to. Had they been compatible with the same SIM card then you simply put the old one in the new phone, the number is with it. If they weren't compatible, the dealer registers the new SIM with your account and the number swaps automatically when the card becomes active (normally 2 to 24 hours), and at the same time your old SIM is deactivated.cwathen wrote:I am aware of that, but the concencus seems to be that whilst you can port from one network to another, you cannot port between different agreements on the same network, hence the O2 stopgap.StuartPlymouth wrote:your mobile number is portable to any network anytime (by Ofcom rules)
You may have been in a Phones4U store, but the Orange call centre administered the deal over the telephone. Phones4U just got a healthy commission for having tempted you off the street. Had you gone into an Orange store, or done the deal on-line or over the phone you probably would have got a better offer, as they wouldn't be paying any commission.
If you're happy with the deal you got, then that's fine. But be aware that you were told quite alot of unnecessary spin by P4U to make you believe you were getting something nobody else could offer. The fact is, you could've got something better by going directly to the network concerned (as is normally the case with mobiles).
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