The immigration debate
Erm, we don't HAVE any borders, James. If you look at the latest globes, you'll notice that the UK is in fact surrounded by sea. Not a sea of brown people as you might believe, but in fact of WATER.
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Now, what DO you have against legal immigrants, who have been judged to be useful to the workforce/economy/country as a whole? Pay them to leave? Take money OUT of the economy to get rid of someone that CONTRIBUTES to it?
Intriguing, but you've just said "They're foreign, get rid of them" regardless of what they're doing. That suggestion also seems familiar, I might have to peruse the BNP's site.
Edit: here it is!
Your last sentence is confusing the hell out of me. Are you saying "make less people try and come in, then we can have less people coming in"?
(I'm probably going to edit this a few times to add things)
Now, what DO you have against legal immigrants, who have been judged to be useful to the workforce/economy/country as a whole? Pay them to leave? Take money OUT of the economy to get rid of someone that CONTRIBUTES to it?
Intriguing, but you've just said "They're foreign, get rid of them" regardless of what they're doing. That suggestion also seems familiar, I might have to peruse the BNP's site.
Edit: here it is!
Of course, there are those that can't go back for fear of death/reprisals/war, but something tells me that a few quid in their pocket is going to help them any.BNP Manifesto wrote:To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the native British peoples of our islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of all bogus asylum seekers, all criminal entrants and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants and their descendants who are legally here are afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.
Your last sentence is confusing the hell out of me. Are you saying "make less people try and come in, then we can have less people coming in"?
Knight knight
Is it such a big step that I'm equating you with a BNP supporter if you're advocating their ideas? Probably not. I guess the biggest issue for you has to be what makes someone "British". Do they have to be born here, first generation? Second generation? At what point does someone stop being an immigrant and start being a national?
Your point about British people being denied jobs is also a touch ill-conceived, after all many immigrants get shitty jobs many of us wouldn't want to touch with a barge pole, and those that do well have to work damned hard to get to where they are. Such a lot of resentment towards asians seems to stem from the difference in work ethic. Should they be denied their success just because they're brown?
Don't forget also that it's just as possible for British people to be terrorists.
Your point about British people being denied jobs is also a touch ill-conceived, after all many immigrants get shitty jobs many of us wouldn't want to touch with a barge pole, and those that do well have to work damned hard to get to where they are. Such a lot of resentment towards asians seems to stem from the difference in work ethic. Should they be denied their success just because they're brown?
Don't forget also that it's just as possible for British people to be terrorists.
Knight knight
You make your points well, Sputty.
However, Flava has missed out probably the largest and most damaging economic effect that mass immigration has. That effect is not on the economy as a whole, but on individuals in low-skilled and low-paid jobs.
Mass immigration does have a deflationary pressure on wages at the bottom end of the pay scale. It can be shown to have its greatest effect on people already struggling to get by.
In addiition, the extra 300-400,000 people (legally) in the country over the last two years has helped sustain the obscene house prices in the UK.
As I said at the start of the thread, immigration (legal and illegal) is only a fraction of what it is in the rest of England and the city areas of Scotland (not sure about Wales), so it's something I've personally had very little experience with.
However, Flava has missed out probably the largest and most damaging economic effect that mass immigration has. That effect is not on the economy as a whole, but on individuals in low-skilled and low-paid jobs.
Mass immigration does have a deflationary pressure on wages at the bottom end of the pay scale. It can be shown to have its greatest effect on people already struggling to get by.
In addiition, the extra 300-400,000 people (legally) in the country over the last two years has helped sustain the obscene house prices in the UK.
As I said at the start of the thread, immigration (legal and illegal) is only a fraction of what it is in the rest of England and the city areas of Scotland (not sure about Wales), so it's something I've personally had very little experience with.
You know, it's ironic that you have in your siggy a quote from me admitting I know I'm a twat - yet you haven't been big enough to admit that you're a racist. Why?Not The Chef wrote:So people don't sail across, or go through the Channel Tunnel in lorries? Of course not!
Basically we need to put a cap on the amount of immigrants living in this country.
They might be useful to the economy, but at the expense of British nationals having jobs.
Clearly as you're now accusing me of being a BNP supporter (which I'm not) you'll do what everyone does to the BNP, and write me off as racist.
And it's possible that amongst these illegal immigrants (and indeed legal ones) are terroists. A lot of these people might well be happy to die for what they believe in, brainwashed into thinking that they're going to a special place where 40 virginal maidens await them.
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Actually i believe that alot of illegal immigrants came to our shores with all good intentions. Many have fitted into our community rather well. Many of the young men that risked their lives to escape the war and opression in their own countries have probably fallen into the Muslim extremeists Jihad cult that were already here. Muslim Jeiwsh, Christian or Catholic we're all human and vulnerable. I don't how many of these young men must have felt, but when you're taken under someones wing at a vulnerable time in your lives anyone is open to brainwashing.
Johnnyboy you said something about not knowing how'd you feel if a street you grew up on was overtaken by a different race.
The fundamental problem was, a lack of understanding on our culture not the colour of their skins or anything. Many of the immigrants were born with a gun or knife in their hands, we were born with stainless steel spoons in our mouths. Dover, Folkestone and Canterbury has got a whole lot worse since the immigration problem. The kids felt the need to go out armed as their had been so many random stabbings on groups of local kids from the Kosovans etc...
I'll tell you all bout my blokes brother and brother - in- law in a bit, i've got lots to do... His brother served in Iraq and his brother - law is a channel tunnel train driver.
Oooh and i must tell you about what happened to the Borstal or.. Young offenders institution to be all PC. and the rucus that followed.
Johnnyboy you said something about not knowing how'd you feel if a street you grew up on was overtaken by a different race.
The fundamental problem was, a lack of understanding on our culture not the colour of their skins or anything. Many of the immigrants were born with a gun or knife in their hands, we were born with stainless steel spoons in our mouths. Dover, Folkestone and Canterbury has got a whole lot worse since the immigration problem. The kids felt the need to go out armed as their had been so many random stabbings on groups of local kids from the Kosovans etc...
I'll tell you all bout my blokes brother and brother - in- law in a bit, i've got lots to do... His brother served in Iraq and his brother - law is a channel tunnel train driver.
Oooh and i must tell you about what happened to the Borstal or.. Young offenders institution to be all PC. and the rucus that followed.
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Right i'm back.... Are you all sitting comfortably? Good! I'm about to bore you all to tears.
Brother in law story.
He has been chunnel train driver since that godforsaken thing was opened. During the height of the flood of immigrants he has seen some sights one of them being.. pulling into the station and seeing a groups illegals on the roofs of the train on the other track, he was yelling and signalling them to get off the train. They started waving their hands in dismisall and defiace at him and promptly electrocuted themselves on the overhead wires.
Another time he hit a bloke that was on the tracks in the tunnel itself, it made a bit of a mess and disturbed his brother in law and probably still does, we just don't discuss it. It fucked his head up abit.
Borstal story...
It was decided to close the Borstal in Dover andd turn it into a holding centre. It was kitted out well nice, tons of dosh was spent on make it comfortable. Nice tvs in every room, comfy beds etc etc... the cheeky bastards only had the right to start complaining about human rights and not being allowed out. They were being imprisoned. Jeez! it was like an upmarket B&B only they were not allowed out unless supervised.
My brother in laws Iraq days i'll tell you about later. It won't be quite the nitty gritty tale that you might be expecting as he was actually commanding the lads at the nitty gritty end. He still had to dig alot of trenches though and wear his gas mask. Actually no i won't tell you about it, it's all tecnical boring stuff. Working alongside the yanks etc..
Brother in law story.
He has been chunnel train driver since that godforsaken thing was opened. During the height of the flood of immigrants he has seen some sights one of them being.. pulling into the station and seeing a groups illegals on the roofs of the train on the other track, he was yelling and signalling them to get off the train. They started waving their hands in dismisall and defiace at him and promptly electrocuted themselves on the overhead wires.
Another time he hit a bloke that was on the tracks in the tunnel itself, it made a bit of a mess and disturbed his brother in law and probably still does, we just don't discuss it. It fucked his head up abit.
Borstal story...
It was decided to close the Borstal in Dover andd turn it into a holding centre. It was kitted out well nice, tons of dosh was spent on make it comfortable. Nice tvs in every room, comfy beds etc etc... the cheeky bastards only had the right to start complaining about human rights and not being allowed out. They were being imprisoned. Jeez! it was like an upmarket B&B only they were not allowed out unless supervised.
My brother in laws Iraq days i'll tell you about later. It won't be quite the nitty gritty tale that you might be expecting as he was actually commanding the lads at the nitty gritty end. He still had to dig alot of trenches though and wear his gas mask. Actually no i won't tell you about it, it's all tecnical boring stuff. Working alongside the yanks etc..
Mental anxiety, Mental breakdowns, Menstrual cramps, Menopause... Did you ever notice how all our problems begin with Men?