Today's terrrr stuff

[johnnyboy]

They are clever little bastards, which is why those with the brains do the plotting and the brainwashed sods go and blow themselves and others to smithereens for a false idol. GOD!
:- disclaimer... Not you Mr. Nick... Signed... Me.

Don't diss the real God, miss h. Nick will smite you pretty badly if that's the case!

Well, they're not really doing very much blowing themselves up at the moment.

Given that there are allegedly all these nutcases intent on doing this through some misguided religious and geopolitical cause, they're not that motivated or commited.

Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest that fear of Islamic terrorism is being exploited for political purposes and the real danger from it in no way accurately reflects the true situation.

They are here and this is going to on for years and years to come yet. One of the reasons the IRA are no longer an active terrorist group is because america has ceased funding them. Bin Laden masterinded a plot that has left his followers and sympathisers in awe of him. Why go blow yourself up and go out with a whimper when you can go out with a bang. It's all about the next big job.

The turning off of funding from NORAID and the Libyans was only a part of the IRA's funding. Most of it came from organised crime north and south of the border.

Also, the current IRA ceasefire took place in 1997 and has been pretty much total since then. The "War on Terror" started in 2001, well after this period.

Unfortunately, your assertion about American funding bringing an end to the bombing period of the IRA is not supported by the facts.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say with the rest of it either.

An easier way to explain myself would be this... If i had a chance to do an armed robbery. The risks involved are huge. I wouldn't go and do some shitty post office job, i'd go for the biggie. That's how i think these suicide bombers are thinking.
:- another disclaimer.. Not that i would ever consider doing anything illegal... signed... Me

Most suicide bombings are for quite small targets. Since they first came about in the 80s (in Sri Lanka if memory serves), they rarely kill more than 5 people at a time.

I understand what you are trying to say with your analogy, however.

[Lorns]

I wouldn't call 9/11 a small suicide bombing attempt would you. You can't deny that the IRA started getting their shit together to disarm after 9/11 and Americas withdrawal of funding. Yeah there was a matter of disarmament before then, but before thenit was talk,talk.

7/7 was a relatively small attack there IS more to come. We relly ught to wake up to what these extremists are capable of, if they manage to get past the security measures.

Maybe i ought to wait till tomorrow to explain myself properly.

[all new Phil]

Been on the dizzy water, love?

[Lorns]

Been on the dizzy water, love?

How'd ya guess... My mates just come back from France wiv loads of contaband i may be a little tipsy.

[johnnyboy]

I wouldn't call 9/11 a small suicide bombing attempt would you. You can't deny that the IRA started getting their shit together to disarm after 9/11 and Americas withdrawal of funding. Yeah there was a matter of disarmament before then, but before thenit was talk,talk.

Like many people (including around about 50% of New Yorkers), I have a lot of trouble believing the official version of the 9/11 story. There is just too much wrong with it.

However, having said that, I do not know who carried it out. I can only really comment on what I think are the many failings in the official version.

It just seems a bit much to believe that, in a country with the biggest defence budget in the world, nineteen unarmed men led by a dialysis patient in a cave in Afghanistan simultaneously hijacked four planes and successfully guided three of them into buildings despite the fact they weren't trained pilots.

I would love to know what happened, but I don't think I ever will.

7/7 was a relatively small attack there IS more to come. We relly ught to wake up to what these extremists are capable of, if they manage to get past the security measures.

Maybe i ought to wait till tomorrow to explain myself properly.

We all know what these extremists are capable of. It's just that they don't do very much of it, miss h.

It's probably a combination of the odd threat being stopped by the security services and their just not being that many lunatics willing to carry it out.

Of course we should be careful, of course we should keep a look-out. This is no justification for trashing our hard-won freedoms though, imo.

Life is full of risk and there are loads of loonies out there in society at large. My central contention is that, given the historical and statistic risk they present, there are far more riskier things in life and perhaps we should divert all this government cash and energy to solving those too.

[Lorns]

I wouldn't call 9/11 a small suicide bombing attempt would you. You can't deny that the IRA started getting their shit together to disarm after 9/11 and Americas withdrawal of funding. Yeah there was a matter of disarmament before then, but before thenit was talk,talk.

Like many people (including around about 50% of New Yorkers), I have a lot of trouble believing the official version of the 9/11 story. There is just too much wrong with it.

However, having said that, I do not know who carried it out. I can only really comment on what I think are the many failings in the official version.

It just seems a bit much to believe that, in a country with the biggest defence budget in the world, nineteen unarmed men led by a dialysis patient in a cave in Afghanistan simultaneously hijacked four planes and successfully guided three of them into buildings despite the fact they weren't trained pilots.

I would love to know what happened, but I don't think I ever will.

7/7 was a relatively small attack there IS more to come. We relly ught to wake up to what these extremists are capable of, if they manage to get past the security measures.

Maybe i ought to wait till tomorrow to explain myself properly.

We all know what these extremists are capable of. It's just that they don't do very much of it, miss h.

It's probably a combination of the odd threat being stopped by the security services and their just not being that many lunatics willing to carry it out.

Of course we should be careful, of course we should keep a look-out. This is no justification for trashing our hard-won freedoms though, imo.

Life is full of risk and there are loads of loonies out there in society at large. My central contention is that, given the historical and statistic risk they present, there are far more riskier things in life and perhaps we should divert all this government cash and energy to solving those too.

Bin laden has admitted to it. What more evidence do you need for the 9/11 atrocity. We've had our wake up call now it's time to acknowledge it.

Talking of our cash. You heard the latest about the next census?

[johnnyboy]

Bin laden has admitted to it. What more evidence do you need for the 9/11 atrocity. We've had our wake up call now it's time to acknowledge it.

To be honest, miss h, a lot more evidence.

Bin Laden denied it for 3 years, then admitted to it just before the 2004 US Presidential election.

Why would he deny what would have been his "greatest achievement" for so long?

I am puzzled by this personally - doesn't make sense. The only reason I can think of to do this would be to bolster his own standing to the people he thinks he leads or he thinks he is an inspiration to.

Talking of our cash. You heard the latest about the next census?

Sorry, miss h, not sure what you're talking about.

[Lorns]

Well they only want us to declare in our next census what our earnings our. I declre all i earn to th iNland revenue, why should we have to declare in a census our earnings in a census. Apparently we will get fined or it made a criminal offence if we don't declare our annual incomings.

[johnnyboy]

Well they only want us to declare in our next census what our earnings our. I declre all i earn to th iNland revenue, why should we have to declare in a census our earnings in a census. Apparently we will get fined or it made a criminal offence if we don't declare our annual incomings.

You're kidding???

That's outrageous. I know you're self-employed like me, miss h, and there is no reason for that type of financial information at all on a population census.

We pay income tax, corporation tax, VAT, PAYE, etc etc. They can get all this information from HMRC already.

Britain today - land of forms and governmental intrusion.

[Lorns]

Well according to one of the newspapers yes! For the life of me i can't remember where i read it. Sorry i can't clarify any further. If it turns out to be true though i am forewarned with my arguement.

[Marcus]

Most suicide bombings are for quite small targets. Since they first came about in the 80s (in Sri Lanka if memory serves), they rarely kill more than 5 people at a time.

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there are suicide boms almost daily in Iraq, which kill a lot more than that