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cat wrote:
cdd wrote:
DJGM wrote:I wasn't actually suggesting that Microsoft would attempt to sue those other companies using the word "Vista" in
their product names. I was thinking it'd be more the other way round, with Microsoft being on the recieving end.

It probably goes without saying that Microsoft would win, should any such legal actions take place . . .
I think that was Johnny's misinterpretation. Microsoft suing those companies would be totally ridiculous.

As far as other companies suing Micro$oft goes, you can't trademark a word that's in the dictionary. Microsoft's product title is "Windows Vista" - that "Windows" and "Vista" are next to each other is the important thing. If there were a risk of Microsoft receiving a lawsuit then how could there be several companies all incorporating the word "Vista" in their company name / product titles?
Just because it is a TM doesn't mean another company can't use it, given reasonable grounds, I think it only extends to similar products. You couldn't, for instance, have Apple Windows X, but you could have Coldseal Windows.

I think much of it is down to whether or not the company with the TM feels it is in their interests to sue or not.
Indeed, most of it comes down to the protection of "intellectual properties" which are obviously intangible and unquantifiable, and therefore a matter of individual judgement. The use of trademarks adds an extra "layer" of protection to these intellectual properties to prevent their use elsewhere, but the ultimate concern is always whether or not the newer company is "passing off" - a term intended to describe the efforts of a company to either actively encourage or passively allow the public to believe that they have a connection with the pre-existing company.

cat's example above demonstrates this. Similarly, you wouldn't get away with "Apple Technology Solutions", because it could be very easily demonstrated - rightly or wrongly - that you were attempting to pass yourself off as being in some way connected to the Apple Computer we all know and hate. However, it would be far more difficult to demonstrate this if you were to use the name "Apple Grocery Store" as there is no obvious link to Apple Computer, and it's easy to argue that the name is directly relevant to the type of business that you're in.

In fact, get yourself a good enough good lawyer, and you could probably argue that Apple Grocery Store has more right to the "Apple" trademark than Steve Jobs does; you could spank millions of pounds out of Steve's ass. He'd love it. Forgive me; once again, I am distracted by my fantasies - back on topic.
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DJGM wrote:Windows Vista . . . Potential lawsuits aplenty, to keep Microsoft's lawyers busy for a while!

:arrow: One potential lawsuit.
:arrow: Another potential lawsuit.
:arrow: Yet another potential lawsuit.
:arrow: And another potential lawsuit.
:arrow: Oh look, another potential lawsuit.

How many other potential lawsuits this may cause, goodness only knows!

Unless of course, Mr Gates and the Redmond Gang, are planning several Vista related buy outs.
All those companies dont look like they could afford it, or Microsoft could easily pay off in or out of court... Seriously, i doubt any of them really care, either
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Chris wrote:
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Andrew Wood wrote: Interesting read about 'Segoe UI' here
I've seen that article. There are some differences with the round bullets above the i and on the question marks, as well as a new italic form, they use Segoe as their corporate font now replacing Franklin Gothic.

Frutiger is a nice font, designed for Charles de Gaulle airport signs. Designed by Adrian Frutiger, who designed Univers in 1957.
(making digital type look good)

You see I do my research before making my own font lol
Your own font? :?
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BBC LDN wrote: . . . as being in some way connected to the Apple Computer we all know and hate . . .
Excuse me, what do you mean 'all' ? There are a few of us, myself included, who like Apple Computer stuff.

But let's the Apple Mac vs PC discussions to dedicated forum threads . . . like this one for instance.
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DJGM wrote:
BBC LDN wrote: . . . as being in some way connected to the Apple Computer we all know and hate . . .
Excuse me, what do you mean 'all' ? There are a few of us, myself included, who like Apple Computer stuff.

But let's the Apple Mac vs PC discussions to dedicated forum threads . . . like this one for instance.
*grins*

I knew someone would take the bait.
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Very funny.

Meanwhile, here's the apparently official explanation from Microsoft on the Windows Vista name . . .
A Microsoft spokesperson wrote: "Today, we live in a world of 'more' . . . more information, more ways to communicate, more things to do, more
opportunities, and at the same time, more responsibilities. Increasingly, we all turn to our PCs to help us with that.

At the end of the day, what you're after is a way to break through all the clutter to focus on what you want to
focus on, what you need to do. What you're trying to get to is your own personal Vista - whether that is trying to
organize photos, or trying to find a file or trying to connect and collaborate with a number of people electronically."
So, make of that (typically pretentious marketing claptrap) what you will . . .


Source: BetaNews.com - Microsoft Explains Windows Vista Name.
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Probably too early at the minute, but does anyone know what Vista actually looks like yet?

It's probably very similar to XP, but a tad more 'grown-up' - ie. no green start button etc.
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jay wrote:Probably too early at the minute, but does anyone know what Vista actually looks like yet?

It's probably very similar to XP, but a tad more 'grown-up' - ie. no green start button etc.
Judging by a recent pre-beta build, it still looks like Windows XP with a new flashier theme . . .

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Earlier in this thread, I wrote: I wasn't actually suggesting that Microsoft would attempt to sue those other
companies using the word "Vista" in their product names. I was thinking it'd
be more the other way round, with Microsoft being on the recieving end.
Looks like the first potential lawsuit could be on it's way, according to this article in The Seattle Times . . .
By naming the next version of Windows "Vista," Microsoft may have stepped
on the toes of another software company just down the road in Redmond.

That would be Vista, a business software and services company founded
in 1999 by John Wall. He was not amused when Microsoft announced its
choice yesterday, setting the stage for a massive rollout when its
flagship operating system goes on sale in fall 2006.

Wall, a well-known technology executive in the area who earlier
founded Wall Data, is examining whether the name violates the
trademark his company has held for six years. He plans to raise
the issue with Microsoft, a company notoriously protective of
its own trademarks, and may take the issue to court.
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Earlier in this thread, I wrote: Windows Vista . . . Potential lawsuits aplenty, to keep Microsoft's lawyers busy for a while!

:arrow: One potential lawsuit.
:arrow: Another potential lawsuit.
:arrow: Yet another potential lawsuit.
:arrow: And another potential lawsuit.
:arrow: Oh look, another potential lawsuit.

How many other potential lawsuits this may cause, goodness only knows!

Unless of course, Mr Gates and the Redmond Gang, are planning several Vista related buy outs.
In reply, cdd wrote: Don't be ridiculous . . .
In part of an article for TheRegister.co.uk, John Oates wrote: The boss of Vista, a software and services company for small businesses
is considering taking legal action against the software giant.

John Wall is the founder of Wall Data and chief executive
of Vista which he started in May 2000.
In part of an article for TheRegister.co.uk, John Oates also wrote: Wall said many companies use the Vista name and Microsoft's
decision would create even more confusion.
As I predicted, Microsoft's official new name for Windows Longhorn is attracting potential legal action already,
and it's only been about 3 days since Microsoft made that announcement. Mind you, with Microsoft being as
big as it is, they'll probably shrug off any single lawsuits regarding commercial use of the "Vista" name.

But, if enough companies that are already using the word "Vista" for commercial purposes, come together
with the same grievance, Microsoft could well be in for a very bumpy ride on the lawsuit merry go round.
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I expect MS will just buy the company
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