Conspiracy Theory Update - Was London an inside job?

[DAS]

Well I'm sure that when MI5 read James Martins' comments, they will investigate MORE THOROUGHLY the possibility.

In fact, Sky News are now reporting that James Martin has not ruled out the possibility of an inside job.

[Pete]

News 24 are talking to Sir Ian Blair at the moment, he says that as James Martin has not ruled it out as a possibility the possibility of it being true is clearly wibble and therefore they have ruled it out.

The graphics say "James Martin is a mental", this is not considered to be breaking news.

[johnnyboy]

Nonsense.

Are you the police?
Are you from the MI5?
Are you in the security service?

No, so let THEM 'get the facts'.

This is merely silly tittle-tattle. If you throw enough details about you can make a pattern than even the queen was the bus bomber - well no-one saw her on that day, she was in an arabic country three months ago.. blah blah blah.

it's all nonsense drivel.

Why are you against me or anyone else speculating about the murderers of 52 of our countrymen and women?

Or is that just the preserve of the Daily Mail?

Do you have any problems with any of the sources I cited? I never claimed to be making any assumptions - I merely pointed the rest of you to information that had so far not been reported in the mainstream media.

Unless of course you count "The Times" which has reported now on the use of military grade explosive in the bombings. Why don't you phone their switchboard and tell them what you think, babyben?

And how can you possibly denegrate all those sources as "drivel"? Which sources do you consider to be free of "drivel", babyben?

[James Martin]

Erm, I think so for the same reasons as JB. No need for repetition, surely? It's just when I said it to people they told me I was being stupid and I didn't know what I was on about.

Clearly when JB talks, peeps listen.

[johnnyboy]

Erm, I think so for the same reasons as JB. No need for repetition, surely? It's just when I said it to people they told me I was being stupid and I didn't know what I was on about.

Clearly when JB talks, peeps listen.

I sort of think that's a compliment, JM, so thanks, dude.

When I was younger, I used to think everything I saw on the TV was true. I really did.

My moment of realisation, my epiphany, as such, was when, on News 24, they were reporting on the aftermath of 9/11 and they said that Mohammed Atta's passport was found by a CIA agent at the Twin Towers. How on earth did the black boxes of both aeroplanes not survive, yet his passport did? Yet, the glorious, intelligent and impartial BBC carried the news conference live and never cast doubt on this clearly absurd claim.

Mmm, fishy I though.

Ever since then, I have sought dozens of different information sources. From these, I have tried to discern what's credible and believable from what's not.

I'm no expert, by any means, but something's going on that's not quite right. Even the BBC reported this, babyben, in a groundbreaking documentary last year called "The Power of Nightmares".

In my humble opinion, what you read in "The Times" and see/hear on the BBC is a part of the whole picture, but not the whole one. Surely you are not so blind that you believe everything they say, babyben?

Or do you just have a disability when it comes to reading for content and considering alternative viewpoints whilst ignoring the glaring errors from the news organisations you have arbitrarily placed your trust in?

[babyben]

I've got a great therory - perhaps it was terrorists!

Nah, of course not - whenever anything happens, it's always an inside job. Even Saddam Hussian is actually a US goverment employee, and Osama works for MI5. :roll:

I'm fed up of heard this nonsense drivel whenever something happens that it must be our own goverment or the US goverment blowing things up. Like the evidence that the explosives were on a military standard. Must be the British Army then cos those damn muslims would never get ahold of military strength explosive. :roll:

I don't believe everything I see in the media, however I'm smart enough to realised that I care about my own little world - and I don't really give a toss to devote my time to play join the dots with silly evidence. If you dig deep enough and have enough material, you'll find evidence of anything by anyone to do everything.

Just my thoughts.

P.S. I'm sure it's James Martin in the kitchen with Prof. Plum and the Candlestick. Ooh Err.

[johnnyboy]

I've got a great therory - perhaps it was terrorists!

Nah, of course not - whenever anything happens, it's always an inside job. Even Saddam Hussian is actually a US goverment employee, and Osama works for MI5. :roll:

I'm fed up of heard this nonsense drivel whenever something happens that it must be our own goverment or the US goverment blowing things up. Like the evidence that the explosives were on a military standard. Must be the British Army then cos those damn muslims would never get ahold of military strength explosive. :roll:

I don't believe everything I see in the media, however I'm smart enough to realised that I care about my own little world - and I don't really give a toss to devote my time to play join the dots with silly evidence. If you dig deep enough and have enough material, you'll find evidence of anything by anyone to do everything.

Just my thoughts.

P.S. I'm sure it's James Martin in the kitchen with Prof. Plum and the Candlestick. Ooh Err.

No-one was drawing any conclusions, babyben.

However, but you still haven't answered which media you consider to be "nonsense drivel" and which you don't.

By answering that question, the rest of us confused on-lookers would be able to discover what you believe in the media and what you don't.



You're getting very irate about something which doesn't interest. Wonder why that is?

[babyben]

I just think it's very sad to be throwing around 'theories' and nonsense when innocent people have died.

I'm not going to get into a detailed argument as the merely the issue bothers me, but I ain't going to waste much time on it - I've got better things to do with my time. Not mean't in a cheeky way - just a valid point - I'm busy!!

So really does anyone think this was an 'inside job'? I for one, don't.

[James Martin]

I'd put money on Bin Laden being in the one place nobody will look.

The White House.

[johnnyboy]

I just think it's very sad to be throwing around 'theories' and nonsense when innocent people have died.

I'm not going to get into a detailed argument as the merely the issue bothers me, but I ain't going to waste much time on it - I've got better things to do with my time. Not mean't in a cheeky way - just a valid point - I'm busy!!

So really does anyone think this was an 'inside job'? I for one, don't.

I can understand why you might think it's tasteless, but I did not report the links with any disrespect intended towards the victims. They are my and your fellow countrymen and women.

The reason I posted them is because they are all pretty credible media sources offering something that the BBC et al hadn't reported on at the time. Since then, they have picked up on the military grade explosive and seem to be hinting (but not yet ready to say) that the suspected bombers were not of Arab or Asian descent - whiteys, like you and me.

As to whether it's an inside job, I dunno. I've read loads of theories about 9/11 and various other things - in common with around 3 million other Brits, I'm led to believe - and I'm just as in the dark about what happened then as I was a few years ago.

On a wider point, I believe that society NEEDS people like these who question things and call things into doubt. They help advanced knowledge in a way that wouldn't happen if they didn't give a toss about society and what happenened in it.

[tillyoshea]

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
...Which is a perfect cover for people pretending to be terrorists to plant real bombs instead of fake ones, isn't it?

Well, no. The 'exercise' that was underway was of the round-table discussion type, simply questioning how well the response would work. I don't know where uruknet have got the idea that the exercise discussed bombs going off 'at the exact same times... as happened in real life', because that's certainly not what Power said - he just said that the real event happened to occur during their discussion.

The CCTV cameras on the bus and around the Tube stations were mysteriously broken that morning.

Clearly enough were working at Kings Cross, and it's hardly unusual for a number of security camera to be faulty.

A far more likely 'conspiracy' is that intelligence sources had a fairly good idea of the kind of attack that might occur, but no idea of time scale - it could have happened days, weeks, months, or years after the warning was received (thus they did not have intelligence specific enough to prevent the attack, and hence no warning, as 'warning' in intelligence speak could suggest a specific timescale - note that this is always the language used, 'intelligence isn't specific enough', and 'no warnings'). They were therefore possibly getting together lots of discussions of the type Power attended, to discuss whether the planned responses would be appropriate, and whether any extra security measures could be implemented. This would certainly not be an unprecedented measure - procedures are usually reviewed in the light of a given threat. The fact that one of these meetings happened to coincide with the attack itself is just coincidence.

Netanyahu, Israel Finance Minister, had early warning of explosions

This has now been denied, but it's quite possible that it's another case of unfortunate semantics, with 'intelligence' and 'warnings' being translated poorly by someone unaware of the specific semantics used.

Whether Al-Qaeda or another group are behind the attack or not, I have no idea, and haven't really seen any convincing evidence either way. I don't think the website claim is credible. The fact that ID has been found so quickly, though, apparently linking the bombers to Al-Qaeda makes me wonder whether the attacks were orchestrated by a group unconnected to them but attempting to provoke reprisal attacks against Muslim groups in the UK. But I might be reading too much into that.