Jaron Brass

[johnnyboy]

Remember when Jaron copied and pasted Jase Wells' blog virtually word for word back in 2004?

Well, he hasn't quite done it again, but Jase is not happy.

Don't Be A Brass

Jase Wells - "Here's a tip: If you're gonna be "inspired" by somebody else's design, at least change the CSS class names, OK? Sheesh."

Personally, I think Jase is going overboard - who can say we weren't inspired in our web design by what we've seen and liked before.

Any other news from the world of Jaron lately anyone would like to share? Not least, of course, Jaron himself.

[cdd]

Calendar Check:

That article was posted in early February, it is now late May...

[Sput]

Or so Jaron would have you believe

[johnnyboy]

Calendar Check:

That article was posted in early February, it is now late May...

Well, I noticed it faster than you did.

Don't you have any evil 0800-number-using companies to hound?

[Johnny]

Hmm... I wonder if the is skimming these pages as we speak

[Lorns]

I only heard of this geezer through this site only recently. You lot obviously didn't like him very much, and now i see why.
No wonder Jase Wells is not happy, he is a very sad and weird individual.

[cdd]

Don't you have any evil 0800-number-using companies to hound?

Yes as a matter of fact. 0800-number companies make great phone targets.

The question is, don't you have some "customers" to hound?

:roll:

[johnnyboy]

Yes as a matter of fact. 0800-number companies make great phone targets.

The question is, don't you have some "customers" to hound?

:roll:

Chris, another business pearl.

You will go far in this life.

It's amazing how much you make up about your life. You NEVER did the rotating fax paper thing. You've NEVER 'targeted' a company using a freephone number. You are simply pathetic, and your false bravado on here is really quite sad. Boo-hoo for you.

[cdd]

Yes as a matter of fact. 0800-number companies make great phone targets.

The question is, don't you have some "customers" to hound?

:roll:

Chris, another business pearl.

You will go far in this life.

It's amazing how much you make up about your life. You NEVER did the rotating fax paper thing. You've NEVER 'targeted' a company using a freephone number. You are simply pathetic, and your false bravado on here is really quite sad. Boo-hoo for you.

Mark, are you completely blind to every word I write?

If you'd taken the liberty to look at page 2 of your aptly-named thread you'd have seen my statement that the wonderful idea of faxing back a looped message was hypothetical.

And I believe I have "targeted" 0800 numbers, namely 0800 123456, a viscious number-reselling firm called the "Golden Number Company" (I wonder if someone's bought it yet?)... you appear to be forgetting that it costs nothing to set your computer up to call it for 20 seconds each minute.

Declaiming unsolicited marketing (OK, targeted marketing) to be part of business is ever so slightly asinine. Distance marketing is the "dark side" of business, and it's what got Microsoft where they are today. But of course, the world of business isn't moral, is it? From what I've noticed any marketing discussion with you seems to crash down in flames due to your obvious bias on the side of the marketer. It's like trying to maintain a discussion about the Labour party with the Conservatives.

Anyway, congratulations, as you have succeeded in sending a thread totally off-topic... not that the original subject matter was any better!

[johnnyboy]

Mark, are you completely blind to every word I write?

If you'd taken the liberty to look at page 2 of your aptly-named thread you'd have seen my statement that the wonderful idea of faxing back a looped message was hypothetical.

That's now how it read at the time, Chris, so I have to suspect that you changed it.

As I remember it correctly, you basically came into a thread about a problem I was having with mouseover image links and told me that I and my customers were immoral huxters. Furthermore, that we should only be allowed to market if you, or your appointed representatives, thought that our product or service was sufficiently original and you deemed it would be good enough to sell itself without marketing!

And I believe I have "targeted" 0800 numbers, namely 0800 123456, a viscious number-reselling firm called the "Golden Number Company" (I wonder if someone's bought it yet?)... you appear to be forgetting that it costs nothing to set your computer up to call it for 20 seconds each minute.

Pray, what did this company do that was so bad that you felt you had to steal money from it every 20 seconds?

Put a leaflet through your door? The scoundrels.

Declaiming unsolicited marketing (OK, targeted marketing) to be part of business is ever so slightly asinine. Distance marketing is the "dark side" of business, and it's what got Microsoft where they are today. But of course, the world of business isn't moral, is it? From what I've noticed any marketing discussion with you seems to crash down in flames due to your obvious bias on the side of the marketer. It's like trying to maintain a discussion about the Labour party with the Conservatives.

You are correct. The world of business is not particularly moral. It is riddled with one-up-manship and self-interest. Exactly how is that different from the public sector, government or any field of human activity?

However, to portray us as worse is scandalous. We're not the organisations that can throw you into prison for not paying us. We're not the ones with the legal right to enter property and confiscate goods. We're not the ones that force you to be taxed on where you live, what you earn and virtually every product or service you buy.

You have to choose us from a field containing often hundreds of competitors.

Of course I am biased towards marketing. I have seen the positive influences it has for customers. I have seen how small companies starting with us have, with our help in part, grown into giants. Far faster than we have. And every single purchase made from our customers was voluntary.

These risks were taken by men who have the balls you so obviously lack. They risked their own time and money to provide a better and/or cheaper service. And you blankly dismiss them as 'immoral'. What a prat.

Without businesspeople, without sales and marketing, the country would grind to a halt. No taxes would exist, no ITV stations, the internet would not exist as it does today, no operations would be performed, no children would be educated.

Anyway, congratulations, as you have succeeded in sending a thread totally off-topic... not that the original subject matter was any better!

Like you hijacked my thread on web design?

You plan to run the world from the bedroom in your parents' house. Let the grown-ups get on with life.

[cdd]

Mark, are you completely blind to every word I write?

If you'd taken the liberty to look at page 2 of your aptly-named thread you'd have seen my statement that the wonderful idea of faxing back a looped message was hypothetical.

That's now how it read at the time, Chris, so I have to suspect that you changed it.

Certainly not... you'll notice you quoted my entire text there, on the 26th April.

And I believe I have "targeted" 0800 numbers, namely 0800 123456, a viscious number-reselling firm called the "Golden Number Company" (I wonder if someone's bought it yet?)... you appear to be forgetting that it costs nothing to set your computer up to call it for 20 seconds each minute.

Pray, what did this company do that was so bad that you felt you had to steal money from it every 20 seconds?
[/quote]

Oh it's just the whole morals of it... it's similar to cybersquatting, if you will.

Declaiming unsolicited marketing (OK, targeted marketing) to be part of business is ever so slightly asinine. Distance marketing is the "dark side" of business, and it's what got Microsoft where they are today. But of course, the world of business isn't moral, is it? From what I've noticed any marketing discussion with you seems to crash down in flames due to your obvious bias on the side of the marketer. It's like trying to maintain a discussion about the Labour party with the Conservatives.

You are correct. The world of business is not particularly moral. It is riddled with one-up-manship and self-interest. Exactly how is that different from the public sector, government or any field of human activity?[/quote]

That is, admittedly, a good point; unfortuantely the world is not a moral place. However, I am simply contesting your proactive support for this activity.

You have to choose us from a field containing often hundreds of competitors.

A point which I acknowledged in the previous thread, for few people are able to create a unique product and those unique products that are created are immediately remarketed and resold. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying it's unfortunate; the fact that companies need to spend millions communicating these amazing advantages of their company is ridiculous when you consider that consumers would easily be made aware of "true" benefits.

Of course I am biased towards marketing. I have seen the positive influences it has for customers. I have seen how small companies starting with us have, with our help in part, grown into giants. Far faster than we have. And every single purchase made from our customers was voluntary.

Indeed; I assume you'll soon be saying that you only advertise to those who will be interested? Frankly I'm not entirely sure that's any better; just another way to cut costs down while keeping revenue up. Maybe I should repeat at this point that I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just saying that I feel it's immoral and unfortunate?

These risks were taken by men who have the balls you so obviously lack. They risked their own time and money to provide a better and/or cheaper service. And you blankly dismiss them as 'immoral'. What a prat.

I'm not so sure "these men" do provide a better or cheaper service. Microsoft advertise much more than other companies but their service is argubly no better.

Without businesspeople, without sales and marketing, the country would grind to a halt. No taxes would exist, no ITV stations, the internet would not exist as it does today, no operations would be performed, no children would be educated.

Marketing has been around for as long as humans have existed; it's just the massive, unsolicited nature of it nowadays that seems wrong.