Out of interest, this is what a 10 week old aborted fetus looks like.
This is a 22 week old aborted fetus, a fully formed humanbeing.
My views on this subject are changing.
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Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote:Out of interest, this is what a 10 week old aborted fetus looks like.
This is a 22 week old aborted fetus, a fully formed humanbeing.
My views on this subject are changing.
Admin EDIT:
I've taken the decision to link to these pictures as opposed to displaying them on the page. I would strongly urge you to look at the images as they really do make you think, but please be prepared as some people may find them disturbing.
Listed below are the various abortion methods in common use today:
Suction Aspiration
Menstrual Extraction
Dilation & Curettage (D&C)
Dilation and Evacuation (D&E)
Saline Abortion
Urea Abortion
Prostaglandin Abortion
Hysterotomy
Hysterctomy
Abortion Pill (RU-486)
Partial Birth Abortion (D&X)
SUCTION ASPIRATION:
This is the most common method of abortion during the first twelve weeks of a pregnancy. General or local anesthesia is given to the mother and her cervix is dilated.
A suction curette (hollow tube with a knife-edge tip) is inserted into the womb. This instrument is then connected to a vacuum machine by a transparent tube.
The vacuum suction, 29 times more powerful than a household vacuum cleaner tears the unborn child into pieces which are sucked out through the tube into a bottle and discarded.
MENSTRUAL EXTRACTION:
Very early in a pregnancy, suction abortions are performed using a smaller tube, and the cervix does not have to be dilated so greatly. This is called a 'menstrual extraction'.
If all the pieces of the child are not removed however, infection results, requiring a full dilation of the cervix and the scraping out of the womb.
DILATION AND CURETTAGE (D&C):
This method is similar to the suction method with the added insertion of a loop-shaped knife (curette) which cuts the baby into pieces. These pieces are scraped out through the cervix and discarded.
This is not to be confused with a therapeutic D&C which is done for reasons other than pregnancy.
DILATION AND EVACUATION (D&E):
This method is used up to 18 weeks' gestation. Instead of the curette used in D&C abortions, a pair of forceps is inserted into the womb to grasp part of the fetus.
The teeth of the forceps twist and tear the calcified bones of the unborn child. This process is repeated until the baby is totally dismembered and removed.
Sometimes the head of the child is too large and must be crushed for removal.
SALINE ABORTION:
"Salt poisoning", or the saline method, is used after the sixteenth week of pregnancy. A needle is inserted through the abdominal wall, through the uterine wall and into the amniotic sac.
Some of the amniotic fluid is removed and replaced with a concentrated salt solution. The unborn child breathes in and swallows the salt and is poisoned by it.
The mother goes into labour and a dead baby is delivered 24 to 48 hours later. This method of abortion is so dangerous to the mother that it is banned in sweden and japan.
PROSTAGLANDIN ABORTION:
Prostaglandin are hormones needed for birth. Injecting them into the amniotic sac induces intense labour and the premature birth of a child usually too young to survive.
This method is generally used for abortions done during the second half of pregnancy.
Saline or urea are sometimes injected first to kill the baby before delivery and make the procedure less distressful for the mother and abortion staff.
UREA ABORTION:
Urea is injected into the pregnant uterus in the same manner as saline.
Urea is a soluble, weakly basic nitrogenous compound that is the chief solid component of mammalian urine and an end product of pretein decomposition.
Urea is synthesized from carbon dioxide and ammonia, and is commercially used in the creation of platics, fertilizers and animal food.
HYSTEROTOMY:
Hysterotomy abortion is similar to a cesarean delivery, except that its purpose is to kill rather than save the child. This method is sometimes used when a tubal ligation is performed at the same time.
Almost all hysterotomy abortion babies are born alive. The abdomen and womb are opened surgically; the baby is lifted out and the umbilical cord is clamped.
The child often struggles before dying. Some babies have survived this procedure and are subsequently accepted by their natural mothers, or given up for adoption.
HYSTERECTOMY:
Removal of the unborn child at the same time as the removal of the uterus.
ABORTION PILL (RU-486):
The best known abortion pill is RU-486, also known as Mifepristone. It is only one of a family of chemical abortifacients which kill the developing human after fertilization.
These pills are sometimes referred to as "contagestives", "menses regulators", or "post-coital contraceptives". Chemical abortifacients are extremely potent drugs.
RU-486 is a synthetic steroid that blocks the action of the hormone progesterone, which is essential to maintaining pregnancy. Deprived of progesterone, the lining of the uterus sloughs off, killing the developing child.
In most cases the response of the mother's body is to release prostaglandin to cause a miscarriage. The "success" rate of the pill is raised by administering artificial prostaglandin several days after RU-486 is used.
RU-486 facilitates self-administered abortion, easily obtained in the earlist days of pregnancy.
Although promoted as a safe alternative to surgery, the long-term effects of the drug and others like it are as yet unknown.
PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (D&X):
D&X stands for "Dilation and Extraction". This partial birth method of abortion is used when the fetus is 26 weeks of age or older. At this stage of development, the toughness of the fetal tissue makes the D&E method difficult.
After dilating the cervix for two days, the abortionist uses ultrasound to locate the fetus' legs. One leg is pulled into the vagina with forceps, then the other leg and torso are delivered by hand.
The head of the fetus remains in the uterus. Using a blunt-tipped surgical scissor in a closed position, the abortionist pierces the fetus' head at the base of the skull, and then opens the scissors to enlarge the hole.
A suction catheter is inserted into the womb and the skull contents are vacuumed out. The corpse is then pulled completely from the mother's body.
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Testimony of abortion survivor Gianna Jessen before the Constitution Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee on April 22, 1996.
My name is Gianna Jessen. I am 19 years of age. I am originally from California, but now reside in Franklin, Tennessee. I am adopted. I have cerebral palsy. My biological mother was 17 years old and seven and one-half months pregnant when she made the decision to have a saline abortion. I am the person she aborted. I lived instead of died.
Fortunately for me the abortionist was not in the clinic when I arrived alive, instead of dead, at 6:00 a.m. on the morning of April 6, 1977. I was early, my death was not expected to be seen until about 9 a.m., when he would probably be arriving for his office hours. I am sure I would not be here today if the abortionist would have been in the clinic as his job is to take life, not sustain it. Some have said I am a "botched abortion", a result of a job not well done.
There were many witnesses to my entry into this world. My biological mother and other young girls in the clinic, who also awaited the death of their babies, were the first to greet me. I am told this was a hysterical moment. Next was a staff nurse who apparently called emergency medical services and had me transferred to a hospital.
I remained in the hospital for almost three months. There was not much hope for me in the beginning. I weighed only two pounds. Today, babies smaller than I was have survived.
A doctor once said I had a great will to live and that I fought for my life. I eventually was able to leave the hospital and be placed in foster care. I was diagnosed with cerebral palsy as a result of the abortion.
My foster mother was told that it was doubtful that I would ever crawl or walk. I could not sit up independently. Through the prayers and dedication of my foster mother, and later many other people, I eventually learned to sit up, crawl, then stand. I walked with leg braces and a walker shortly before I turned age four. I was legally adopted by my foster mother's daughter, Diana De Paul, a few months after I began to walk. The Department of Social Services would not release me any earlier for adoption.
I have continued in physical therapy for my disability, and after a total of four surgeries, I can now walk without assistance. It is not always easy. Sometimes I fall, but I have learned how to fall gracefully after falling 19 years.
I am happy to be alive. I almost died. Every day I thank God for life. I do not consider myself a by-product of conception, a clump of tissue, or any other of the titles given to a child in the womb. I do not consider any person conceived to be any of those things.
I have met other survivors of abortion. They are all thankful for life. Only a few months ago I met another saline abortion survivor. Her name is Sarah. She is two years old. Sarah also has cerebral palsy, but her diagnosis is not good. She is blind and has severe seizures. The abortionist, besides injecting the mother with saline, also injects the baby victims. Sarah was injected in the head. I saw the place on her head where this was done. When I speak, I speak not only for myself, but for the other survivors, like Sarah, and also for those who cannot yet speak ...
Today, a baby is a baby when convenient. It is tissue or otherwise when the time is not right. A baby is a baby when miscarriage takes place at two, three, four months. A baby is called a tissue or clumps of cells when an abortion takes place at two, three, four months. Why is that? I see no difference. What are you seeing? Many close there eyes...
The best thing I can show you to defend life is my life. It has been a great gift. Killing is not the answer to any question or situation. Show me how it is the answer.
There is a quote which is etched into the high ceilings of one of our state's capitol buildings. The quote says, "Whatever is morally wrong, is not politically correct." Abortion is morally wrong. Our country is shedding the blood of the innocent. America is killing its future.
All life is valuable. All life is a gift from our Creator. We must receive and cherish the gifts we are given. We must honor the right to life
My name is Gianna Jessen. I am 19 years of age. I am originally from California, but now reside in Franklin, Tennessee. I am adopted. I have cerebral palsy. My biological mother was 17 years old and seven and one-half months pregnant when she made the decision to have a saline abortion. I am the person she aborted. I lived instead of died.
Fortunately for me the abortionist was not in the clinic when I arrived alive, instead of dead, at 6:00 a.m. on the morning of April 6, 1977. I was early, my death was not expected to be seen until about 9 a.m., when he would probably be arriving for his office hours. I am sure I would not be here today if the abortionist would have been in the clinic as his job is to take life, not sustain it. Some have said I am a "botched abortion", a result of a job not well done.
There were many witnesses to my entry into this world. My biological mother and other young girls in the clinic, who also awaited the death of their babies, were the first to greet me. I am told this was a hysterical moment. Next was a staff nurse who apparently called emergency medical services and had me transferred to a hospital.
I remained in the hospital for almost three months. There was not much hope for me in the beginning. I weighed only two pounds. Today, babies smaller than I was have survived.
A doctor once said I had a great will to live and that I fought for my life. I eventually was able to leave the hospital and be placed in foster care. I was diagnosed with cerebral palsy as a result of the abortion.
My foster mother was told that it was doubtful that I would ever crawl or walk. I could not sit up independently. Through the prayers and dedication of my foster mother, and later many other people, I eventually learned to sit up, crawl, then stand. I walked with leg braces and a walker shortly before I turned age four. I was legally adopted by my foster mother's daughter, Diana De Paul, a few months after I began to walk. The Department of Social Services would not release me any earlier for adoption.
I have continued in physical therapy for my disability, and after a total of four surgeries, I can now walk without assistance. It is not always easy. Sometimes I fall, but I have learned how to fall gracefully after falling 19 years.
I am happy to be alive. I almost died. Every day I thank God for life. I do not consider myself a by-product of conception, a clump of tissue, or any other of the titles given to a child in the womb. I do not consider any person conceived to be any of those things.
I have met other survivors of abortion. They are all thankful for life. Only a few months ago I met another saline abortion survivor. Her name is Sarah. She is two years old. Sarah also has cerebral palsy, but her diagnosis is not good. She is blind and has severe seizures. The abortionist, besides injecting the mother with saline, also injects the baby victims. Sarah was injected in the head. I saw the place on her head where this was done. When I speak, I speak not only for myself, but for the other survivors, like Sarah, and also for those who cannot yet speak ...
Today, a baby is a baby when convenient. It is tissue or otherwise when the time is not right. A baby is a baby when miscarriage takes place at two, three, four months. A baby is called a tissue or clumps of cells when an abortion takes place at two, three, four months. Why is that? I see no difference. What are you seeing? Many close there eyes...
The best thing I can show you to defend life is my life. It has been a great gift. Killing is not the answer to any question or situation. Show me how it is the answer.
There is a quote which is etched into the high ceilings of one of our state's capitol buildings. The quote says, "Whatever is morally wrong, is not politically correct." Abortion is morally wrong. Our country is shedding the blood of the innocent. America is killing its future.
All life is valuable. All life is a gift from our Creator. We must receive and cherish the gifts we are given. We must honor the right to life
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A zygote is a person from the moment of conception, in my view, because it has a unique genetic coding. I believe abortion for "social" reasons (officially classes as mental distress caused to the mother) is wrong. Abortion MAY be right in cases of severe disability, and is ALWAYS right if there is a risk to the life of the mother. IMO.
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mikeroberts wrote:A zygote is a person from the moment of conception, in my view, because it has a unique genetic coding. I believe abortion for "social" reasons (officially classes as mental distress caused to the mother) is wrong. Abortion MAY be right in cases of severe disability, and is ALWAYS right if there is a risk to the life of the mother. IMO.
i have been reading a lot on this recently, purely out of interest. scientifically, as soon as an egg is fertilised, it is considered a human being because, as you quite rightly say, it is genetically unique and has a sex.
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So a woman who falls pregnant due to rape should be forced to carry that child to term? Seems a bit harsh to me.mikeroberts wrote:I believe abortion for "social" reasons (officially classes as mental distress caused to the mother) is wrong.
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There is no 'scientific' point at which something becomes human - it is down to the ethical principles of the particular scientist. I know of several (though I'm not about to name names on such an emotive issue) who only consider a foetus to become a 'human' at the point when the umbilical cord is cut - which isn't my personal opinion, but it does seem fairly logically sound.Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote:i have been reading a lot on this recently, purely out of interest. scientifically, as soon as an egg is fertilised, it is considered a human being because, as you quite rightly say, it is genetically unique and has a sex.
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ethical principles are not scientific principes though. the real issue is at which point the developing fetus starts to develop its mental abilities and responses to external stimulus, this is especially important since in many abortion procedures i have listed above, the fetus is simply torn apart inside the uterus to extract it. if you read through that list, you'll find some of them particually grusome, quite horrific if the fetus can percieve pain.tillyoshea wrote:There is no 'scientific' point at which something becomes human - it is down to the ethical principles of the particular scientist. I know of several (though I'm not about to name names on such an emotive issue) who only consider a foetus to become a 'human' at the point when the umbilical cord is cut - which isn't my personal opinion, but it does seem fairly logically sound.Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote:i have been reading a lot on this recently, purely out of interest. scientifically, as soon as an egg is fertilised, it is considered a human being because, as you quite rightly say, it is genetically unique and has a sex.
http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html
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My apologies. I forgot to mention rape, where the mother is allowed to choose.tillyoshea wrote:So a woman who falls pregnant due to rape should be forced to carry that child to term? Seems a bit harsh to me.mikeroberts wrote:I believe abortion for "social" reasons (officially classes as mental distress caused to the mother) is wrong.