Election 2005

Who gets your vote ?

Conservatives
34
43%
Labour
20
25%
Lib Dem
19
24%
Green Party
3
4%
Veritas
1
1%
Respect
0
No votes
Other (small minority party)
3
4%
 
Total votes: 80
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tillyoshea
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For what it's worth, I think that Labour have made great progress in this country, and it's rather silly to focus purely on their failures to deliver. SureStart and Connexions, organisations within which I conducted extensive placements and research, are big steps forward. But, at the same time, it's wrong to ignore failures.
cat wrote:Well, the Euro is a pretty worthless argument... and I think you are slightly misinterpreting the point of a manifesto; it's not to set a series of targets and a deadline by which they should be met.
I agree that a manifesto shouldn't be used in that way, but that's how Labour chose to write pats of theirs, and how I understand the Conservatives will be structuring the whole of theirs for the forthcoming election. This doesn't seem a logcial strategy to take if you can't meet the deadlines you set.
cat wrote:The Tories would launch a referendum campaign just so we never ended up with it...
Yes they would, and that would be wrong. I agree with you completely. I'm not claiming that one party is better than another, I'm just pointing out that Labour haven't delivered on all of their promises.
I also think blaming the Labour party for the events in Soham is seriously dodgy territory, and you would be wise to avoid going there.
I'm certainly not blaming Labour for the events in Soham, and I'm sorry if that's how you read my comment - it certainly wasn't the way I intended it. I'm just pointing out that Labour have introduced a vastly expensive system that is of questionable worth when it doesn't work in very serious cases, of which the events in Soham were simply the most high profile.
cat wrote:Hospital waiting times are down
Hospital waiting lists are shorter, but times aren't actually down, at least in the experience of the clinicians I work with. They are simply measured differently, and the figures fudged.
cat wrote:A large number now perform 'on the day' appointment systems, where you go in/phone that morning and see someone that day, rather than book in advance. Much more sensible, and is being extended across the country as more surgeries wake up.
A perfect example of such fudging. This system was introduced so that auditors phoning up asking when they would next be able to see a doctor would be told 'tomorrow' - waiting times instantly slashed. In practice, though, it disenfranchises many people, particularly those from lower socioecomic backgrounds, and those with disabilities, who may not have a phone line to call their surgery first thing in a morning. Whereas, previously, they could pop into the surgery at their convenience and make an appointment, they are now unable to do this. Equally, it causes problems for those with chronic illnesses who need regular appointments. The vast majority of the GPs I work with would much prefer to return to the old system of having 'emergency' appointments seen on the day in the morning, and a normal appointments system operating in the afternoon. But they aren't able to do this, because then they are audited as having a longer waiting time, and thus are paid less.
cat wrote:The medical records system is currently undergoing a massive - and, yes, very expensive and time consuming reform process.
Yes, a process which I have personally taken part in. And one which a great many doctors have reservations about. And one that doesn't involve any kind of smart card, as promised.
cat wrote:That's not through bad management
Actually, it is in part. The NHS insisted on starting digitising records before the format had been finally decided upon, meaning that records that have already been computerised have to be gone through again to record additional information.
cat wrote:To expect the entire NHS records system to be on computer in the space of four years - which is not what the manifesto says - is stupid
Indeed it is. And that's not what I expect. Rather, I expect them to be doing something to do with smartcards. Which they're not.
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The Prime Minister promised NHS dentists for everyone. That promise has not been delivered. Finally for now please understand that the Labour Party did not invent the NHS, actually during World War 2 Sir Winston Churchill and Liberal party supporter Sir William Beveridge came up with ideas for what is now called The National Health Service.

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tillyoshea wrote:This system was introduced so that auditors phoning up asking when they would next be able to see a doctor would be told 'tomorrow' - waiting times instantly slashed. In practice, though, it disenfranchises many people, particularly those from lower socioecomic backgrounds, and those with disabilities, who may not have a phone line to call their surgery first thing in a morning.
There is a further problem in our part of the world.

Surgeries are changing over from their old "local" numbers to 0870 numbers, with queuing systems.

Okay, it used to be a bit annoying to keep getting the engaged tone, but at least you weren't charged for it, and when you did get through, you just paid 3p a minute to make an appointment.

Now, you get one ring and then you're dumped into the queuing system and start paying at 8p per minute, which is practically premium rate nowadays. On average, you actually get to speak to the appointments clerk after twelve to fifteen minutes, so you have to pay through the nose for waiting as well as making the appointment.

Free at the point of delivery? Ha <expletive deleted> ha!
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But you can't really have a successful smart card without digitised records, you must appreciate that.

There have been some problems with digitisation - private companies having to organise things, problems with them etc. but on the whole it was never going to be easy and for the time being I think it's going ok.
TVDragon
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nwtv2003 wrote:Though my area of Warrington (South) IIRC is a Tory constituency, it used to be Lib Dems aswell I believe.

I also wouldn't want to imagine the Lib Dems running the country.
Warrington South has been Labour since 1992 -- and Warrington North has always been Labour.

Lib Dem have never been anywhere near the place. Surprised you should get it quite so wrong mind you, both of the town's MPs are fairly prominent.
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TVDragon wrote:
nwtv2003 wrote:Though my area of Warrington (South) IIRC is a Tory constituency, it used to be Lib Dems aswell I believe.

I also wouldn't want to imagine the Lib Dems running the country.
Warrington South has been Labour since 1992 -- and Warrington North has always been Labour.

Lib Dem have never been anywhere near the place. Surprised you should get it quite so wrong mind you, both of the town's MPs are fairly prominent.
Has it!?!?! Whoops, my mistake, though you hear nothing from Labour in our area, we get more news and information about the Tories and Lib Dems put together than Labour, I know they got voted in 1997, but otherwise I thought it had changed. We have a Conservative office near our house, can't say where Labour's is.
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Don,t let Labour kill the NHS please vote for the Conservative Party.

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Psythor
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Why is everyone so anti-LibDem? Throughout the thread I havn't heard any decent arguments as to why they're a bad party, beyond "Charles Kennedy looks funny".

They seem to make the most sense as a party- unlike the economic magicians that are the Conservatives, they won't magically reduce taxes and increase spending on services, they LibDems will tax the rich more. Sounds fair.

They were also anti-war. The Tories were all for it, so you can't really argue that you should vote Tory because of the war.

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that Blair has been "selling us out" to Europe. The LibDems are very pro-Europe but with good reason. It's better to be a part of the EU, playing a full part and influencing decisions and things in Britain's favour, rather than sitting on the sidelines, watching the people who account for 52% of British trade decide things in their favour, regardless of what happens to us.

Oh, and the British Euro coins, when they finally are introduced, will have the Queen on the back of them, meaning our lovely traditions of glorifying someone born into privelege can continue.

So Vote Liberal Democrats please.
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Psythor wrote:Why is everyone so anti-LibDem? Throughout the thread I havn't heard any decent arguments as to why they're a bad party, beyond "Charles Kennedy looks funny".

They seem to make the most sense as a party- unlike the economic magicians that are the Conservatives, they won't magically reduce taxes and increase spending on services, they LibDems will tax the rich more. Sounds fair.

They were also anti-war. The Tories were all for it, so you can't really argue that you should vote Tory because of the war.

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that Blair has been "selling us out" to Europe. The LibDems are very pro-Europe but with good reason. It's better to be a part of the EU, playing a full part and influencing decisions and things in Britain's favour, rather than sitting on the sidelines, watching the people who account for 52% of British trade decide things in their favour, regardless of what happens to us.

Oh, and the British Euro coins, when they finally are introduced, will have the Queen on the back of them, meaning our lovely traditions of glorifying someone born into privelege can continue.

So Vote Liberal Democrats please.
The Lib Dems are the most hypocritical bunch of tossers.

At a national level it's all this ''we don't get involved in the bickering and nastiness of the other parties, we're not like that''.

At a local level they publish lies - genuinely slanderous stuff - half truths and statistics to fit the bill.

I agree that if we want fantastic public services we have little option but to tax more - the general public never ever spend their money wisely, so giving them tax cuts and saying 'now you have more money, you can get the service you want' is twaddle. Looking at the national debt record really should be telling the Tories that.

I'd love to see the Lib Dems in for 8 years, just to give them a chance, but it's not going to happen any time soon; one of the other parties will have to implode before that can happen.
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Please don,t destroy this countrys sovereignty by voting for the Liberal Demcrats(they are neither Liberal or Democratic) or for the Labour Party. Please vote for the Conservative Party.
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Fine, I'll vote Conservative.

And I'll have hypnotherapy *when*?
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