PLEASE, PLEASE, Help.... SERIOUS.

ashley b · Sat 04 Sep, 2004 13.52

Indeed, really sorry to hear that news Kat.

rts · Sat 04 Sep, 2004 15.55

All the best during this horrible time for you, Kat. I sincerely hope everything goes as well as possible.

James Martin · Sun 05 Sep, 2004 02.43

My condolences to you and yours Kat... it's always an awful thing to happen but I know you will be strong.

Katherine · Sun 05 Sep, 2004 16.43

Funeral is a week on Tuesday, in Petersfield, Hampshire.

rob · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 11.59

Katherine wrote:A rather unwelcome development - my Grandfather survived the operation, but not long afterwards, he developed complications and sadly, passed away at about 05:30 this morning.

Parents have cut short their holiday and are going to be with my Grandmother, uncle and aunt. They have told me NOT to travel and to hold the fort at home, which I will do.

I will miss him immensely; I was very close to him, he was a corporal in the Second World War, responsible for the routing and surveying of things like roads and railways. He's recently been on Radio 4 telling all about his wartime exploits and on the BBC site, shared his wartime memories with the wider public. If you like, you can read his memories, at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A2459162

He's a great storyteller!

He and my grandmother were staunch supporters of the Royal Family, and I am very pleased that he lived long enough to receive the card from the Queen that is sent on a couple's Diamond Wedding Anniversary earlier this year.

Goodbye Grandad, I will miss you a lot. All my undying love and admiration, Katherine.

Deepest sympathy Katherine. I recently lost my gran, so I know how it feels.

Jenny · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 14.06

rts wrote:All the best during this horrible time for you, Kat.

Er, I thought she was a christian and believed in heaven and all that junk. In which case, it should be a fabby, yeehah, hooray-hooray-it's-a-holi-holiday time for her. Unless her grandad was a bad man and is going to hell, of course.

Gavin Scott · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 14.30

Jenny, dear; there are *some* moments when you have to curb the acerbic comment on the tip of your tongue. This is one such occassion. I'm disappointed that you have forced me into moderating within this thread.

Don't piss about and be a wise-ass with other people's religion when they might need it most.

I think we should draw a line under it here.

Jenny · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 18.27

Hold on a second, I was the ONLY person in this whole thread to actually take her religion seriously. Everybody else said "oh that's a bad thing", which is about as blunt a rejection of the most basic tenets of christianity as you can get.

Gavin Scott · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 18.45

Jenny wrote:Hold on a second, I was the ONLY person in this whole thread to actually take her religion seriously. Everybody else said "oh that's a bad thing", which is about as blunt a rejection of the most basic tenets of christianity as you can get.

Come off it Jenny. You weren't taking it seriously, you were taking the piss. I'm a great beleiver in that (goodness knows I've needled Kat enough myself), but there is a time and a place.

You don't honestly expect a Christian (or anyone) to be joyful when a relative they love dies, do you?

It was a flippant remark in my view - and I'm usually pretty sharp at spotting them, if I say so myself.

James Hatts · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 18.52

Jenny wrote:which is about as blunt a rejection of the most basic tenets of christianity as you can get.

That's an absurd thing to say. No-one ever said bereavement was easy, religion or no religion.

Katherine · Mon 06 Sep, 2004 20.31

Gavin Scott wrote:Jenny, dear; there are *some* moments when you have to curb the acerbic comment on the tip of your tongue. This is one such occassion. I'm disappointed that you have forced me into moderating within this thread.

Exactly - I do NOT want a thread like this to dissolve into flippancy, acerbic comment or argument. Yes, religion says we should celebrate his life but nevertheless, people get very upset at the death of someone they've been married to for over 60 YEARS! My poor Grandmother (81) now has to face the world on her own - that's enough to daunt anyone, ESPECIALLY at her age!

ALL the family are having to adjust. I've lost a grandfather, my brother has lost his grandfather, my dad has lost his father and so on and so on. All have felt sadness, loss, grief, anxiety etc.. and have been through a massively emotionally straining ordeal, ESPECIALLY as a result of the way he died; in severe pain and in an Intensive Care Ward.

Why on EARTH could that poster not have just acted in the same, fully respectful way that all the others have? I will NOT let bickering and inappropriate verbiage be subservient to the TRUE INTENT of this thread! I am feeling very supported by others' condolences, and I am feeling disgusted and outraged that others could not have been more dignified and respectful in condolence!