Can anyone advise me and also tell me how much Tiger would cost to upgrade from Panther if i decided to get it before Tiger is released.
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I'm thinking about getting an eMac in the next couple of months, but I don't know if I should get 500mb or 1gb of RAM, or if I should get one now or wait for OS X Tiger so come out.
Can anyone advise me and also tell me how much Tiger would cost to upgrade from Panther if i decided to get it before Tiger is released.
Can anyone advise me and also tell me how much Tiger would cost to upgrade from Panther if i decided to get it before Tiger is released.
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James Hatts
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Tiger will probably cost c.£70-80.
I wouldn't bother waiting for Tiger before purchasing a Mac - you could be waiting almost a year.
Go for as much RAM as you can afford.
Though it may be cheaper to get additional RAM from somewhere like Crucial and install it yourself than have it fitted by Apple.
I wouldn't bother waiting for Tiger before purchasing a Mac - you could be waiting almost a year.
Go for as much RAM as you can afford.
Though it may be cheaper to get additional RAM from somewhere like Crucial and install it yourself than have it fitted by Apple.
If you buy a new Macintosh computer within a given amount of time after a completely new version of Mac OS X
has been officially released by Apple, and your new Mac had the previous version of Mac OS X pre-installed, you
can usually order the new version of Mac OS X direct from Apple, heavily discounted, usually for less than £20.
A full boxed retail edition of Mac OS X would normally set you back £99, so if you can hold off buying your
new eMac computer until shortly after Apple have releaseed Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, then you should be
able to take full advantage of the promotional scheme known as Mac OS X Up-To-Date . . .
has been officially released by Apple, and your new Mac had the previous version of Mac OS X pre-installed, you
can usually order the new version of Mac OS X direct from Apple, heavily discounted, usually for less than £20.
A full boxed retail edition of Mac OS X would normally set you back £99, so if you can hold off buying your
new eMac computer until shortly after Apple have releaseed Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, then you should be
able to take full advantage of the promotional scheme known as Mac OS X Up-To-Date . . .
I'd say Mac OS X is a lot more user friendly. Although don't take my word for it, try it for yourself. Pop into
your nearest branch of PC World (ironically) and try of the Macs on display there. They'll all be running a
copy of Mac OS X, and they won't be some flashy in store advertising demo like the PC's would be!
As for user upgradability, when it comes to the hardware, the iMacs have never really been designed
with internal tinkering in mind. They have mostly been designed for those, that just want a no fuss
computer that just get's the job done. Of course, that's not to say it isn't possible to upgrade the
hardware in an iMac, it's just a more limited scope of physical upgradability. When I upgraded the
memory and HDD in my first generation (circa October 1998) iMac, I found myself needing to
take the thing more less to bits. Later models have become a little more easy to upgrade.
I'm not sure about upgrading the hardware inside an eMac though
Meanwhile, the higher end Apple computers, such as the Power Mac G4/G5, are extremly easy to
physically upgrade the internal hardware. In most cases, they're easier to upgrade than most bog
standard PC system units. The internals of the Power Mac G4/G5 unit are very easy to access,
as this picture of a typical Power Mac G5 units shows . . .
That is just so much neater, tidier, and much nicer than the inside of most PC units, is it not . . . ?
your nearest branch of PC World (ironically) and try of the Macs on display there. They'll all be running a
copy of Mac OS X, and they won't be some flashy in store advertising demo like the PC's would be!
As for user upgradability, when it comes to the hardware, the iMacs have never really been designed
with internal tinkering in mind. They have mostly been designed for those, that just want a no fuss
computer that just get's the job done. Of course, that's not to say it isn't possible to upgrade the
hardware in an iMac, it's just a more limited scope of physical upgradability. When I upgraded the
memory and HDD in my first generation (circa October 1998) iMac, I found myself needing to
take the thing more less to bits. Later models have become a little more easy to upgrade.
I'm not sure about upgrading the hardware inside an eMac though
Meanwhile, the higher end Apple computers, such as the Power Mac G4/G5, are extremly easy to
physically upgrade the internal hardware. In most cases, they're easier to upgrade than most bog
standard PC system units. The internals of the Power Mac G4/G5 unit are very easy to access,
as this picture of a typical Power Mac G5 units shows . . .
That is just so much neater, tidier, and much nicer than the inside of most PC units, is it not . . . ?
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peterrocket
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If your after an iMac, then wait til about September, as there are new ones being released then seemignly.
I have a G5 at home and it kicks ass. For what I do, high end rendering, i timed it with a standard Powermac G4 and the difference was well to render a basic scene in Cinema 4D with reflection the G4 took 1minute 4 seconds and the G5 was well.... 17 seconds.
Both had same memory and HD space as they were stock models.
With Apple kit, they also have a higher resale value, so its not like a PC where it will depreciate rapidly!
I have a G5 at home and it kicks ass. For what I do, high end rendering, i timed it with a standard Powermac G4 and the difference was well to render a basic scene in Cinema 4D with reflection the G4 took 1minute 4 seconds and the G5 was well.... 17 seconds.
Both had same memory and HD space as they were stock models.
With Apple kit, they also have a higher resale value, so its not like a PC where it will depreciate rapidly!
He's after an eMac actually. Most likely because it'll be lot cheaper to buy than a new iMacpeterrocket wrote: If your after an iMac, then wait til about September, as
there are new ones being released then seemignly.
Fireboy wrote: I'm thinking about getting an eMac in the next couple of months . . .
Yes I'm just after the eMac - really there seems to be little difference between the recently discontinued iMac and current eMac inside - and personally I quite like the shape of the eMac. And LCDs cause all sorts of eye trouble for me anyway.
I'm certainly not after the G5 either - aside from the high price I don't have much need for a computer of that power - I was using an old 2001 iMac today with 400mHz 10.2 on and it ran twice as fast as my 1.1gHz eMachines PC (XP).
I'm certainly not after the G5 either - aside from the high price I don't have much need for a computer of that power - I was using an old 2001 iMac today with 400mHz 10.2 on and it ran twice as fast as my 1.1gHz eMachines PC (XP).
Well I've got an eMac and I've got to say it's absolute sh*te, but that's only because it's got 128mb RAM. I presume it's a first generation eMac so I'm sure the newer ones will be in a different league. In a nutshell: it isn't powerful enough to run OSX (which it came supplied with).
It's pathetically slow to the point where I have to quit 'Mail' to open 'Explorer' and vice-versa. My first generation low-spec iMac (circa 1998) is much faster.
On top of that, the fan is extremely noisy on my model, but maybe that's another issue they've since ironed out.
By the way, any advice on if/how I can upgrade the RAM on this eMac would be greatly appreciated.
It's pathetically slow to the point where I have to quit 'Mail' to open 'Explorer' and vice-versa. My first generation low-spec iMac (circa 1998) is much faster.
On top of that, the fan is extremely noisy on my model, but maybe that's another issue they've since ironed out.
By the way, any advice on if/how I can upgrade the RAM on this eMac would be greatly appreciated.
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jaronbrass
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Fireboy,
In terms of performance there are no real differences between the eMac and the current revision iMac G4. Aside from a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 AGP 4x card in the iMac, the eMac is a sure performer. We at Apple sell about three thousand of those a year into the Broward school district (the account I'm attached to now as a Sr. Systems Engineer for Apple).
A speedbumped version of the eMac is due to debut during the back to school shopping season with a processor speed of 1.25GHz. There are no plans to upgrade the graphics chipset. If you do buy an eMac, definitely purchase one with a SuperDrive. Once you have the capability to burn DVDs you'll soon realise how beneficial it is for data storage, creative projects and the like.
The iMac G5 is supposed to begin shipping in September at an entry level price of $1699 US. It'll be powered by a low-end G5 processor at 1.4 or 1.5GHz and feature a new alumninium-type enclosure, similar in appearance to the recently revised Cinema displays.
As for Tiger, we're not shipping it until the first half of 2005. Release to manufacturing is slated for late February/early March, so you'd find it on store shelves about 2-3 weeks after that. You can use Apple's Mac OS X Up-to-Date programme, as pointed out by DJGM, but being practical, I never switch to a new OS until a few minor updates (i.e. 10.4.1, 10.4.2) have been released. With the Up-to-Date programme, you essentially pay for just postage and handling -- not for the actual product.
Rdobbie, all eMacs are based on the same type of logic board configuration with differing CPUs. If your machine is revision A, it'll be powered by a 700 or 800 MHz G4; revision B 800 or 1GHz G4; revision C (current shipping) 1GHz G4. The eMac has 2 slots for PCI133 SDRAM (3.3v, 168-pin). The maximum RAM allowed by the logic board is 1GB. I would definitely recommend upgrading to 512MB at the least. OS X Panther (10.3) requires a minimum of 128, but I feel that minimum is misstated based on the amount of machines I touch with that same spec.
Both gentlemen, since I'm now working for Apple as a Sr. Systems Engineer, I can answer any questions you have about current or future products. Just drop me a PM.
HTH!
-Jaron
In terms of performance there are no real differences between the eMac and the current revision iMac G4. Aside from a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 AGP 4x card in the iMac, the eMac is a sure performer. We at Apple sell about three thousand of those a year into the Broward school district (the account I'm attached to now as a Sr. Systems Engineer for Apple).
A speedbumped version of the eMac is due to debut during the back to school shopping season with a processor speed of 1.25GHz. There are no plans to upgrade the graphics chipset. If you do buy an eMac, definitely purchase one with a SuperDrive. Once you have the capability to burn DVDs you'll soon realise how beneficial it is for data storage, creative projects and the like.
The iMac G5 is supposed to begin shipping in September at an entry level price of $1699 US. It'll be powered by a low-end G5 processor at 1.4 or 1.5GHz and feature a new alumninium-type enclosure, similar in appearance to the recently revised Cinema displays.
As for Tiger, we're not shipping it until the first half of 2005. Release to manufacturing is slated for late February/early March, so you'd find it on store shelves about 2-3 weeks after that. You can use Apple's Mac OS X Up-to-Date programme, as pointed out by DJGM, but being practical, I never switch to a new OS until a few minor updates (i.e. 10.4.1, 10.4.2) have been released. With the Up-to-Date programme, you essentially pay for just postage and handling -- not for the actual product.
Rdobbie, all eMacs are based on the same type of logic board configuration with differing CPUs. If your machine is revision A, it'll be powered by a 700 or 800 MHz G4; revision B 800 or 1GHz G4; revision C (current shipping) 1GHz G4. The eMac has 2 slots for PCI133 SDRAM (3.3v, 168-pin). The maximum RAM allowed by the logic board is 1GB. I would definitely recommend upgrading to 512MB at the least. OS X Panther (10.3) requires a minimum of 128, but I feel that minimum is misstated based on the amount of machines I touch with that same spec.
Both gentlemen, since I'm now working for Apple as a Sr. Systems Engineer, I can answer any questions you have about current or future products. Just drop me a PM.
HTH!
-Jaron
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Chris Turnbull
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can anyone got on to the resexcellence website? http://www.resexcellence.com/
I usualy look around their for mods for my mac, but can't connect to the site. can anyone else?
Jaron (or anyone who has the answer), will apple be adding the option of theming anytime soon?
I usualy look around their for mods for my mac, but can't connect to the site. can anyone else?
Jaron (or anyone who has the answer), will apple be adding the option of theming anytime soon?
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