The Very Official McDonalds (and other fast food outlets) Thread

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Pete
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I think the issue is they've had to rush and have arsed up their reformulations. Plus lucozade is something you literally buy for a hit of sugar. They should have just increased the cost of it.

The Nandos one is interesting. I've noticed inconsistency at Nandos with glasses though. Dundee give you a clear soda glass if you're having fizzy, a blue soda glass for water. Others give you a half height soda glass (like a scotch glass) and others give you a wine glass for water.

Theoretically, you could implement three tier pricing (or the policing of it) with three colours of glass, although you'd have to watch them at the machine as you can't as easily spot the freeloaders by looking for coloured juice in a blue glass.
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Pete wrote:
Thu 22 Mar, 2018 21.12
I think the issue is they've had to rush and have arsed up their reformulations. Plus lucozade is something you literally buy for a hit of sugar. They should have just increased the cost of it.
I think part of the thing with Irn-Bru is it's seen by many as a symbol of Scottish identity, and the mere idea of changing it would have infuriated people anyway, the fact the new version doesn't taste right just makes it worse. People have been pointing out they have the diet and "Xtra" versions for people who wanted a healthier option, they should just have left the original alone.

It's similar to the New Coke thing in the 80s- a lot of the protests, maybe even most of them, came from the mere idea of them changing it, rather than what the actual product tasted like. There was a lot of people feeling their identity was being tampered with there too, especially from Southerners (as Coca-Cola is from Atlanta).

And to be honest, some of the responses I've seen Lucozade give out have been quite patronising, especially towards the concerns of diabetics who used it to treat their condition. The fact the recipe change wasn't really even publicised (I wasn't aware of it until I drank a bottle last year and realised it tasted off- there was nothing on the bottle apart from the changed nutritional information) meant many diabetics wouldn't have even been aware it didn't have the amount of glucose they were expecting also doesn't help them.

Not to mention some of their twitter posts have been implying people who don't like it aren't interested in being healthy- which considering their advertising for as long as I can remember has basically positioned it as being a drink to give an energy boost to active people is quite a joke. Lucozade was probably more likely to be drunk by people who care about their health than most other sugary drinks (until last year it was for sale in the vending machine in my gym- no other sugary drinks were. Same with the ice skating rink I go to, though they do still sell it).

Apparently the new recipe Ribena has something like 15 times the amount of salt as the old one- so not the healthiest change to have made either. Around 95% of the tweets on their twitter page seem to be them replying to complaints about the new recipe. Same company as Lucozade (and just like Lucozade, no promotion or mention of the recipe change outside of the nutritional information), neither have handled the customer concerns very well. I don't think patronising your customers and effectively saying it's for their own good is the best way to go about things.
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Even if it is?

Basically they could have gone two ways. Reduce the sugar content and not qualify for the tax, thus saving outgoings while changing the product, or keep the product the same and incur the tax, and pass the cost on to the consumer. Of course with the second option you run the risk of the product price having to rise every time the Chancellor deems it fit, as happens with other items such as cigarettes, spirits and wine. That could easily lead to sales dropping off a cliff if not managed correctly, and Lucozade et al don't exactly have the brand loyalty that Coke or Pepsi have, or the culture associated with drinking, or the addiction associated with tobacco.
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If reports are to be believed, Lucozade's sales already have dropped off a cliff as a result of the reformulation anyway.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/ ... d-11468144

I certainly always used to buy a bottle every week to go with my ice skating session- I don't any more.

I'm interested in seeing what happens to Ribena and Irn-Bru as well seeing as their customers seem to be very vocally unhappy (and Irn-Bru DOES have very strong brand loyalty in Scotland). And Ribena already had a lower sugar "light" option as well as a sugar free for people who wanted it, which to me feels like making the reformulation even less neccessary. The fact they kept the recipe change under the radar, didn't put it on the label and clearly hoped people wouldn't notice speaks volumes.

Interesting actually that a lot of the comments I've seen aimed at Ribena come from people with intolerances to the sweeteners and thickeners they now use. They drank Ribena because it was one of the few remaining drinks without them in, were unaware of the change (few people will look at the nutritional information if there's no indication anything has changed) and ended up being ill as a result. Some people do have genuine reasons for avoiding artifical sweeteners other than just not liking their taste, and they seem to be being ignored in all this.

It's easy to paint sugar as the new bogeyman, but artificial sweeteners aren't a magic solution.
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I guess it’s better late than never to post my thoughts on the Grand Big Mac I tried a few weeks ago: yes, it’s a Big Mac that’s bigger, but it’s too much. If it was a permanent item you’d try it once for the novelty and then never have it again. Which is why it was a one off I suppose.

The Big Tasty is still the best burger they make though it is infuriatingly only available during half of the year when they don’t have some other promotion on.

Also re: Lucozade I know it’s supposed to be an energy drink but when I was in secondary school kids just bought it and drank it like it was a normal fizzy drink, rather than treating it as similar to Boost or Red Bull. The different flavours didn’t help that perception.
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I miss the old chicken premiere. You used to be able to make a fake version by asking for cool mayo and salsa on the legend, but now the legend is either BBQ or spicy mayo :/

Also miss the smarties mcflurry.

And the greek chicken thingy. That used to be nice.
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I miss the Smarties McFlurry too! That was my favourite, just get the Dairy Milk one now.
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james2001 wrote:
Fri 23 Mar, 2018 23.54
my ice skating session
We get it, you skate. Great.
If reports are to be believed, Lucozade's sales already have dropped off a cliff as a result of the reformulation anyway.
Offset no doubt by the £22m generated by sales of Lucozade Zero. (2017 figures, pre introduction of Original flavour)
It's easy to paint sugar as the new bogeyman, but artificial sweeteners aren't a magic solution.
Your solution seems to be either charging more to the consumer for the original formulation (which I believe you were objecting to in the first place) or continuing to allow generation after generation of children to become needlessly unhealthy. I said it before and I'll say it again - HUMANS CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO BE ADULTS.... sometimes we need to be saved from ourselves.
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This whole anti- sugar debate feels as condescending and belittling as vegans who think they're better than people who eat meat and cyclists who think they're better than motorists and have to preach about the evils of meat and cars all the time (and would probably ban them if they could).

You can do a hell of a lot better than talk down to people, tell them "they can't be trusted" and take their choices away from them.

And that sarcy comment about my skating.... yeah, thanks. When we're effectively being told we're fat slobs sitting on our arses and we can't be trusted, can't you blame me for wanting to point out otherwise? It's not exactly the sort of attitude that's going to win people round.
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james2001 wrote:
Sun 25 Mar, 2018 03.21
This whole anti- sugar debate feels as condescending and belittling as vegans who think they're better than people who eat meat and cyclists who think they're better than motorists and have to preach about the evils of meat and cars all the time (and would probably ban them if they could).
Both of those arguments have enormous environmental merit. Animal farming is increasingly unsustainable and the amount of land required is obscene, especially given the advances made in biofuels. Red and processed meats are also a cause of cancer. Cyclists are wankers but their machine of choice doesn't put out CO2, doesn't require dead animals to power it and takes up less space on a roadway, and also makes the person using it fitter. Which I thought you'd be in favour of.
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I never said there was anything wrong about cycling and being fitter, my argument was about the ones that are preachy and look down on people because they think they're better than everyone else because of it (plenty of cyclists aren't like that). But you knew that already.

Same with vegans/vegetarians who are fine to do what they like, as long as they don't act as if they're superior or try and force their choices on other people.

It's the preaching, being told we're "wrong", "can't be trusted", "need saving from ourselves" and having our choices taken away from us I dislike.
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