The next big leader?

[robschneider]

For idiots? Could say the same about Labour now!

I think there's a huge chance of the party actually splitting into two. Socialism isn't something that comes naturally to us anymore. Middle England will see him as fiscally reckless. We've got a good decade of Conservative rule now

Keep on moving, Grandad.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[Square Eyes]

I don't see how Jeremy can unite the parliamentary party without significantly compromising or abandoning his own principals.

There is a massive disconnect between the wider membership & the parliamentary party. He has an unenviable dilemma. Abandon his principals and be labelled a sell out by the wider membership or stick to his beliefs and fail to get the support of the parliamentary party.

Its much easier to be a conviction politician and stay true to your beliefs from the sidelines.

[robschneider]

Tue question is, will too many people get sucked in by him saying what people want to hear?

There was a lot of flack about Farage, and before that Griffin.

The truth is, he is just as radical as those two. And equally pro-Brexit.

[Finn]

There is a massive disconnect between the wider membership & the parliamentary party.

Actually, that's a huge problem with the PLP really, isn't it?

For all that some people are complaining about the left hijacking Labour now, it's actually been hijacked for 20 years or so by the right wing of the parliamentary party.

[DTV]

Tue question is, will too many people get sucked in by him saying what people want to hear?

There was a lot of flack about Farage, and before that Griffin.

The truth is, he is just as radical as those two. And equally pro-Brexit.

He is no more a radical than Thatcher was - he is proposing Keynesian Social Democracy in an era in which Neo Liberal Economics prevails, just as Thatcher was proposing Neo Liberal economics in an era in which Keynesianism prevailed. In fact given that a growing number of economists are penciling in another recession for 2017/18 his policies will probably become even more popular. It isn't isolated to the UK or even Europe - just look at the US election race Bernie Sanders, a self proclaimed Socialist, is getting over 25% of the vote in some polls in a country that it was basically a career end to be a socialist politician not 10 years ago. In the same way Attlee dragged the Tories to the left and Thatcher dragged Labour to the right, if another recession happens I'd bet on a genuine One Nation Tory becoming Tory leader and I mean a Disraeli/MacMillan One Nation Tory not a Cameron/Johnson One Nation Tory.

Also Corbyn is much more radical than Farage - is Farage even radical in anyway? He's basically an unbelievably reactionary Conservative, he may do politics differently but that doesn't make him radical. His 'radical' policies consist of leaving the EU, repainting trains and building a time machine back to the 1820s. And maybe people are getting 'sucked in' to Corbyn saying 'what people want to hear' because for many people it rings true, believe it or not a lot of the people at the bottom aren't happy that there are about 100 people who have the same wealth as 50% of the population. Politics is cyclical, even more so under neoliberal economics where recessions are inevitable due to the lack of state intervention in the economy to boost Aggregate Demand, so I'm not surprised that we maybe getting to a '45 situation.

[robschneider]

You're quite right. Thatcher actually wasn't a Conservative in the traditional sense of the word - she was a right-thinking Liberal. She certainly didn't want "100 people" to own half the country's wealth mind.

[WillPS]

Headlines like this are doing my head in. The man has been in charge of a party for *a month*, which has been dominated by conference season. He's about to do his second ever PMQs. Give him a fucking chance!

[Alexia]

It's a headline granted, but the Guardian has had the half-assed decency of presenting it as a comment piece. And it's not strictly untrue either.

I'd be more concerned about the hatchet jobs coming from the right wing press masquerading as genuine news articles. But then I don't really care.

[Square Eyes]

Looks like the Corbyn supremacy is unravelling. He's not exactly been afforded much of a honeymoon period.

Will be interesting to see the direction they go with Syria. He'll have to allow a free vote as I don't think he has any hope of applying the whip without a damaging rebellion.

[Alexia]

Looks like the Corbyn supremacy is unravelling. He's not exactly been afforded much of a honeymoon period.

Will be interesting to see the direction they go with Syria. He'll have to allow a free vote as I don't think he has any hope of applying the whip without a damaging rebellion.

He's going to win this one.

[DTV]

Looks like the Corbyn supremacy is unravelling. He's not exactly been afforded much of a honeymoon period.

Will be interesting to see the direction they go with Syria. He'll have to allow a free vote as I don't think he has any hope of applying the whip without a damaging rebellion.

He's going to win this one.

Whether he wins it or not it should be hard for the government to make mileage out of a rebellion given the frequency they're being defeated by the assistance of their backbenchers and their beloved Lords. Corbyn's real challenges are this Thursday and next May - Labour will need to win the mayorship and most seats in the GLA for there not to be a coup. Scotland is a no go for victory, the only party that looks like it can dent an SNP lead are the Scots Greens and in Wales it's a Labour majority or a Labour minority. This time 5 years ago Labour were beginning to outpoll the Conservatives again, in the last 2 weeks the Tory lead has widened by about 2%. If Labour want success in 2020 they better start praying for economic catastrophe - the Conservatives are outpolitcing them at every turn.