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well hopefully bush won't be in the whitehouse much longer.

him and blair are both a pair of slimey murderers.

Barrett wrote: Maybe President Bush was angry that Michael Howard didn't agree on the war in iraq.
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Although Howard did agree with it at the time, it wasn't until the aftermath, with Blair on the ropes that he seized the chance to gain some political capital and altered his stance.

Although, it's not very presidential like of Bush is it, but what did we expect. They're as bad as each other.

Hmm. A typical American response actually - presuming that Michael Howard would WANT to meet the president.

Of course it would be beneficial for a Michael Howard-led Britain to get on with the US president (assuming Bush is still there by then - which he may well not be), but it would surely be more of a diplomatic mission for the cameras rather than a genuine wish to meet him.

With that in mind, America saying that he's not welcome would if anything surely be a relief to Howard - and of course it will be America that looks bad on the international scene because it has been them which made the huge diplomatic blunder of saying that the potential future leader of a highly developed western country isn't good enough to come to the white house.

With all due respect to Mr Toms, this is another shining example of why Americans are perceived to be stupid.

I'm sure we can laugh at America a bit more later this week courtesy of John Gibson on the Fox News Channel - I can't imagine he'd let this one slip.

Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote:him and blair are both a pair of slimey murderers.

Bush is not slimey. He's oily. And "supple".

A similiar occasion to this occured either before or during (or after, can't be sure even) the war when he was asked about America's strained relationship with France: "Chirac wont be coming down to ranch anytime soon".* It's incredible how the Bush II administration really holds such a stubborn grudge against anyone who dares to disagree. How do they expect to create allies or enter into talks of any sort when they take every opportunity to sneer at past events, and ridicule any country or person who disagreed with them?

* as for the ranch thing, Ho-ho. Good one George, just don't let the door-frame hit your head on the way out.

craig, i'm completely shit faced, i've just come in from 'da club'

but i read what you say, and you are right. what we see, everything democracy is, is a complete and utter farce. look at the completely unnecessary controls imposed on use, it's bollcks. when u look at the whole concept of government, control, and all the rest of it, you realise, it's such a load of complete bullshit

we, the masses, we control everything, it's our complete stupidity that allows us to be lead in the way that we are, that fact that as individules, none of us (or very few) have the bollcoks to stand up to it, but really, if we all did, if all of us, stood up for what we thought was right, the government, blair, bush, would be humiliated for the feeble igonrant useless people they are

CraigF wrote:If you're really interested in how governments work and how they've been operating for the past few centuries, then I suggest a small book called The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli (this is where the term "Machiavellian" comes from).

You can get it from Amazon for about £2.99

You can get it for nothing on the interweb! It's well out of copyright, after all.

www.the-prince-by-machiavelli.com
Or all in one file at
http://www.sidereus.org/library/the-prince.htm

I never thought I'd say this, but nice one Michael Howard (although not a hope in hell that I'll vote for you)

Yes, nothing will change if Kerry wins. Corporations will still run America, the American poor will still be very poor and without any social security, the troops will still be in Iraq, the US will become increasingly isolated from the rest of the world with immigration regulations more severe than the USSR etc etc

But there will be a president who can actually read and write (why do you think his mother started all those literacy programs) with an IQ higher than that of a gnome!


It reminds me of a line from a 1960s comedy sketch I heard recently: 'In America there are 2 political parties. There is the Republican Party which is the equivalent to our Conservative Party. And there is the Democratic Party..... which is the equivalent to our Conservative Party'

It really does amaze me when Americans refer to Kerry as 'liberal'!

Let me say for the record, no Tory MPs are welcome in My House!

martindtanderson wrote:Let me say for the record, no Tory MPs are welcome in My House!

Doubt they'd want to come, you'd have to hoover up first.

A definite case for Kim and Aggie.

I will not be voting Labour ever, let's put it that way.