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Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Tue 10 Jul, 2012 22.52
by Critique
Hmm, I suppose it makes him happy, and at least what he's trying to do will be beneficial. And then, on the other hand, you have Harry James, or whatever he's called, making bad recreations of the BBC News graphics in PowerPoint, and providing us with a capture everytime Tim Willcox comes on air when he shouldn't be (that is to say, most of the time, apparently).
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Tue 10 Jul, 2012 23.12
by itsrobert
Beep wrote:I agree with both you and Gav here, it is a lot of time he's exerting into it, smacks very much of nothing better to do, but nobody's perfect!
Off on a tangent but I notice a large proportion of TVF seem to be out of work - this could simply be them making no reference to it - a lot also seem to be without long term partners/spouses but content with knowing when BBC Ident SM2NET4912391203 first was added to the server at White City or how Martin Lambie-Nairn rebranded the BBC in 1997 (And can quote it verbatim and try to apply it to EVERY logotype scenario or to make them seem all knowing on the subject of broadcast design).
I sort of dispair as to why they seem so happy giving university length and grade lectures and pieces on TV pres and living in their own little bubble than contributing to society and earning money - that said I question how they can afford to not work! Makes you wonder if it was another subject what these minds could do!
They live in their bedrooms and know more about the corporations and the management and systems than their own employees do!
I can't co-ordinate my thoughts on it all because I'm too knackered, but it's an interesting observation - especially seeing as Barcode in particular has never lived in England or the Midlands...
I don't think that's entirely fair. You're making a lot of assumptions about people without any real evidence. Just because people are posting during the daytime does not mean they're unemployed. Some might be students, part-time, shift/night workers or may even be at work and/or on a break. And TV Forum's hardly the type of place you'd mention your occupation, especially since it no longer has an integrated lounge forum for off-topic discussion.
As for being passionate about TV pres and knowing dates and the history of idents... isn't that what having a hobby is all about? Sometimes I wonder why certain members actually visit TV Forum, because they don't seem terribly interested in the subject matter. I defy you to find any true enthusiast who doesn't know obscure trivia about his/her interest. There's nothing unusual about that.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 00.00
by bilky asko
Beep wrote:I agree with both you and Gav here, it is a lot of time he's exerting into it, smacks very much of nothing better to do, but nobody's perfect!
Off on a tangent but I notice a large proportion of TVF seem to be out of work - this could simply be them making no reference to it - a lot also seem to be without long term partners/spouses but content with knowing when BBC Ident SM2NET4912391203 first was added to the server at White City or how Martin Lambie-Nairn rebranded the BBC in 1997 (And can quote it verbatim and try to apply it to EVERY logotype scenario or to make them seem all knowing on the subject of broadcast design).
I sort of dispair as to why they seem so happy giving university length and grade lectures and pieces on TV pres and living in their own little bubble than contributing to society and earning money - that said I question how they can afford to not work! Makes you wonder if it was another subject what these minds could do!
They live in their bedrooms and know more about the corporations and the management and systems than their own employees do!
I can't co-ordinate my thoughts on it all because I'm too knackered, but it's an interesting observation - especially seeing as Barcode in particular has never lived in England or the Midlands...
The reasons why certain members don't work are obvious, but don't really need discussion.
However, to write off all the people who are interested and engaging in their hobby in-depth as layabouts is rude.
A good amount of the members over there are still at school or college, so free time (especially during the summer) isn't hard to come by. Combine that with university students, people who are actively looking for jobs, people who aren't working nine-to-five, the self-employed, the retired, a certain deity that graces both here and there, people on a break, and the "special cases", you have a huge chunk of the active membership who have time to post outside the evening.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 00.30
by WillPS
Some real snobbery going on in here. TV Forum is a presentation forum and independent research in to presentation can only be a good thing. I've always wondered about the Central 80s idents myself, granted not enough to research it myself but I appreciate it nonetheless.
If somebody has a lot of time on their hands and is going to use it for something I'm interested in, great stuff as far as I'm concerned.
Next thing you'll say Transdiffusion, TV Ark etc are a bunch of sad acts who need to get a life.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 01.53
by bilky asko
WillPS wrote:Some real snobbery going on in here. TV Forum is a presentation forum and independent research in to presentation can only be a good thing. I've always wondered about the Central 80s idents myself, granted not enough to research it myself but I appreciate it nonetheless.
If somebody has a lot of time on their hands and is going to use it for something I'm interested in, great stuff as far as I'm concerned.
Next thing you'll say Transdiffusion, TV Ark etc are a bunch of sad acts who need to get a life.
I have to agree completely - 623058/Barcode's enthusiasm for making television presentation history as accurate as possible is commendable. I'm not sure if I expressed it properly in my last post, but I have to say that whether somebody has got a job or not isn't the business of other TV Forum members. It only ends up where people bicker about how they're superior through having a job, or baselessly claiming that people clearly have no lives because they have no job, or how they're superior because their job is high-paying.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 10.18
by Gavin Scott
I'm not being a snob. On the specific question of 'one member's quest to get total accuracy on the days that changes happened 30 odd years ago in another part of the country', I said that it comes across to me as a massive effort - as a full time research.
Of course as an enthusiast, its good to have detail - but if you're all suggesting that the mark of a true hobbyist is this level of minutia, then I'll tell you now I think that's a lot of raspberrys. I like the Central TV ident - but whether it was introduced on March 13th 1983 or April 9th is a bit trivial for my palette.
But if that floats your boat that's fine, and in general terms I do support the project. I just don't care enough about the answers being sought or the ones found. They don't enhance the experience of viewing and reminiscing for me, but I'm happy to accept they might for you. If that makes me not a true enthusiast fine - although one might argue there's a touch of snobbery being thrust towards me in that respect.
I've always been clear that I like Barcode - he's a long-term contributor and a highly prolific one at that. I'd quite like him to be financially rewarded for all his daily work, but I make no judgement whatsoever if he choses to spend his time doing whatever makes him happy.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 14.41
by bilky asko
Gavin Scott wrote:I'm not being a snob. On the specific question of 'one member's quest to get total accuracy on the days that changes happened 30 odd years ago in another part of the country', I said that it comes across to me as a massive effort - as a full time research.
Of course as an enthusiast, its good to have detail - but if you're all suggesting that the mark of a true hobbyist is this level of minutia, then I'll tell you now I think that's a lot of raspberrys. I like the Central TV ident - but whether it was introduced on March 13th 1983 or April 9th is a bit trivial for my palette.
But if that floats your boat that's fine, and in general terms I do support the project. I just don't care enough about the answers being sought or the ones found. They don't enhance the experience of viewing and reminiscing for me, but I'm happy to accept they might for you. If that makes me not a true enthusiast fine - although one might argue there's a touch of snobbery being thrust towards me in that respect.
I've always been clear that I like Barcode - he's a long-term contributor and a highly prolific one at that. I'd quite like him to be financially rewarded for all his daily work, but I make no judgement whatsoever if he choses to spend his time doing whatever makes him happy.
I'm not sure who this response was aimed at, but I'll answer it anyway.
I think Barcode's interest is more in the historical aspect, where dates can be seen as important. Personally, I have no real interest in the dates, but I saw Beep's response to be over-the-top.
I don't think people should be labelled as "true" enthusiasts or whatever, but I don't think people should be in
Beep wrote:dispair
over whether somebody has a job or not. I certainly don't think the suggestion Barcode might like a job involving sorting microfiche enjoyable was offensive, however.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 17.02
by Critique
Exciting rebrand news...
Daybreak (Previously TVMocker14), is now Identity. Fitting, as he doesn't seem to able to pick an identity to run with...
Again, another attempt at pretending he's someone else... However, his tone is the same as always, so you can see through it pretty quickly.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 18.16
by Gavin Scott
bilky asko wrote:I certainly don't think the suggestion Barcode might like a job involving sorting microfiche enjoyable was offensive, however.
To be fair I didn't think he'd enjoy it, but I do think he'd be very accurate and a boon to whoever he worked for.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 19.33
by rob
Gavin Scott wrote:I've always been clear that I like Barcode - he's a long-term contributor and a highly prolific one at that. I'd quite like him to be financially rewarded for all his daily work, but I make no judgement whatsoever if he choses to spend his time doing whatever makes him happy.
Gavin, you're absolutely spot on. Barcode has to be applauded for his commitment to accuracy. In all correspondence I've had with him, he has been courteous and polite, and he's always the first to point out any mistakes on TV Live. Without people like him, TV Live would have been dead ages ago.
Re: TV Forum Watch News and Information Board
Posted: Wed 11 Jul, 2012 22.11
by dosxuk
New level of banality reached:
phil94 wrote:The TOTH sequence at 10 o' clock took 1 minute and 40 seconds.