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Ronnie Rowlands wrote:I'm perfectly calm.

No you aren't. You're 'absolutely infuriated' because I have different beliefs to you.

Chie wrote:

Ronnie Rowlands wrote:I'm perfectly calm.

No you aren't. You're 'absolutely infuriated' because I have different beliefs to you.

Hyperbole. It's not that you have different beliefs, it's that you never acknowledge when you are proven totally wrong, and you express them in very bigoted, unpleasant ways.

You'll have to give me an example of when I've expressed my beliefs in bigoted and unpleasant ways because that's not a characteristic I recognise in myself at all.

(Don't cite the Indian construction worker thing as an example - I explained a reporter on the news had said the builders are barefoot and live in muddy tents but you didn't take any notice.)

You'll have to give me an example of when I've expressed my beliefs in bigoted and unpleasant ways because that's not a characteristic I recognise in myself at all.

You don't deny you were wrong then?

Chie wrote: (Don't cite the Indian construction worker thing as an example - I explained a reporter on the news had said the builders are barefoot and live in muddy tents but you didn't take any notice.)

And you extended that to all Indians being barefoot and filthy, and cited it as the reason for their filthy toilets. A truly bizarre leap. Then there's your "EUSSR" nonsense. "What did we take from African nations exactly?" and your utter failure to comprehend the notion of helping people in other countries.

Chie wrote:

Gavin Scott wrote:(And just how do they [INDIAN CONSTRUCTION WORKERS] manage to get so much jobbie on the walls of as yet unused bathrooms?)

By not wearing shoes or washing regularly. [BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN MUDDY TENTS AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND WALK AROUND BAREFOOT]

Where did I "extend that to all Indians being barefoot and filthy" then?

At this moment in time, the motives and direction of the EU are a matter of belief - not fact - and I stand by my beliefs.

We didn't take anything from African nations - the people who lived in this country 200 years ago did, and I don't see why we should have to pay for their wrong-doing just because we happened to be born in the same place they were. Nor should modern-day Africans gain financially from the suffering of their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-cousins.

I think you should have italicised "we" in that last sentence.

Can we (and by we i mean ronnie) please stop with the puerile angry swearing. It devalues your comments somewhat and makes you seem like James H.

Chie wrote: We didn't take anything from African nations - the people who lived in this country 200 years ago did, and I don't see why we should have to pay for their wrong-doing just because we happened to be born in the same place they were.

When have you been made to give something back to African nations?

Pete wrote: Can we (and by we i mean ronnie) please stop with the puerile angry swearing. It devalues your comments somewhat

It does? I don't think it makes Chie any less wrong but oh well.

Ronnie Rowlands wrote:When have you been made to give something back to African nations?

Sput suggested we should keep giving aid (through taxation) to Africa because it's like giving something back to them for what 'we' (as in people who've been dead for two centuries and are therefore nothing to do with us) took. mmkay?

Ronnie Rowlands wrote:I don't think it makes Chie any less wrong but oh well.

Wrong about what Ronnie? We're talking about beliefs here, not facts. There is no right or wrong. Unless you mean I'm wrong because you don't agree with my beliefs and they need correcting?

I suspect you do.

But Ronnie (and others) try to challenge the reasons behind your beliefs. I often find that when I question people about their opinions and why they believe things, they struggle and I cannot get answers. I'm accept people having differing beliefs (even if it frustrates me that they are different) but when they are ill-informed and put forward in a nasty way, then I become disgusted or angry.

Chie wrote:

Ronnie Rowlands wrote:When have you been made to give something back to African nations?

Sput suggested we should keep giving aid (through taxation) to Africa because it's like giving something back to them for what 'we' (as in people who've been dead for two centuries and are therefore nothing to do with us) took. mmkay?

Just to point out three things: 1. 200 years probably isn't quite right, 2. It's probably fair to say the effects of the British empire will be felt for some time to come, not least in the drawing up of borders and plundering of natural resoures and 3. that wasn't the only reason I suggested (although the other reasons were in a subsequent post).

CONTINUE.

Jovis wrote:But Ronnie (and others) try to challenge the reasons behind your beliefs. I often find that when I question people about their opinions and why they believe things, they struggle and I cannot get answers. I'm accept people having differing beliefs (even if it frustrates me that they are different) but when they are ill-informed and put forward in a nasty way, then I become disgusted or angry.

I've said why I don't believe we should give international aid to Africa to make up for something we didn't do - because we're not responsible for the actions of those in the past.

Really, if you think I'm putting forward my beliefs in a nasty way then you're clearly stereotyping me with Daily Mail / BNP / Republicanism, which is.. oh yes, it's called prejudice!

Sput wrote:Just to point out three things: 1. 200 years probably isn't quite right, 2. It's probably fair to say the effects of the British empire will be felt for some time to come, not least in the drawing up of borders and plundering of natural resoures and 3. that wasn't the only reason I suggested (although the other reasons were in a subsequent post).

CONTINUE.

1. An act of parliament was passed abolishing slavery 203 years ago. It was finally abolished 30 years later.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... /DG_065859

2. Throwing money at them isn't going to move their borders, and on a continent the size of Africa, I find it hard to believe 'we' even scratched the surface with the technology that was available at the time.

The fact remains that I never suggested I've been 'made to give something back to African nations'. I was responding to a post which put forward an argument for why we should!