Your first smoke-free chance this Sunday - 1st July 2007

[Stuart*]

Lorna, I'm sure that pubs in your local area are investing in the same sort of outdoor gas heaters that have been commonplace in some pubs in Plymouth for years.

Once pubs establish an outdoor area which essentially extends their retail potential they don't give up easily. Many licenced premises had this problem in Plymouth and have simply used that as the area for smokers now.

I believe that "green campaigners" are now objecting to these gas heaters - but give everyone a break. If all campaigners had their way we would all sit at home in the dark every night eating cabbage (without salt) cooked using fires lit by our own hacked off limbs.

[james2001]

I do sometimes wonder why smokers moan so much about going outside. After all, it's your choice to go outside, can't you just stay inside and not smoke? Surely it can't be THAT hard to go a few hours without a smoke? It srikes me as odd that people will go out of their way to inconveneince themselves to do something that there's very little point in, and has no real benefits (honestly, I'd love to know what some people find so appealing about smoking, because I can't see anything).

[Stuart*]

I do sometimes wonder why smokers moan so much....It strikes me as odd that people will go out of their way to inconveneince themselves to do something that there's very little point in, and has no real benefits.

So you never go to the pub then to purchase alcohol? There is no benefit in its consumption yet there appears to be a legal industry built around it.

Smokers don't moan. It's non-smokers who do. Please remember that.

[Sput]

I do sometimes wonder why smokers moan so much....It strikes me as odd that people will go out of their way to inconveneince themselves to do something that there's very little point in, and has no real benefits.

So you never go to the pub then to purchase alcohol? There is no benefit in its consumption yet there appears to be a legal industry built around it.

Smokers don't moan. It's non-smokers who do. Please remember that.

You seem pretty moany now there's a ban!

[Stuart*]

I do sometimes wonder why smokers moan so much....It strikes me as odd that people will go out of their way to inconveneince themselves to do something that there's very little point in, and has no real benefits.

So you never go to the pub then to purchase alcohol? There is no benefit in its consumption yet there appears to be a legal industry built around it.
Smokers don't moan. It's non-smokers who do. Please remember that.

You seem pretty moany now there's a ban!

Not at all, not sure why you have that impression.

I have visited pubs before where all the people I was with sat outside anyway. Smoking (or the secondary inhalation of the smoke) wasn't an issue. I don't think I've yet been inside a pub since the ban in England, perhaps because of reports of the awful odour of sweaty bodies, stale beer and illegal drugs which were previously masked by tobacco.

I was in favour of the ban, but some people take it too far. I don't wish to reopen the debate as it has been discussed on here and many other places. My point was that many smokers aren't moaning, I'm not moaning. Many non-smokers are - they want it stamped out everywhere. Fair enough, but slap another 10p on your income tax if you want to be a smoke free nation - and think of everything else that will have to go under the same edict.

[jrothwell97]

I do sometimes wonder why smokers moan so much....It strikes me as odd that people will go out of their way to inconveneince themselves to do something that there's very little point in, and has no real benefits.

So you never go to the pub then to purchase alcohol? There is no benefit in its consumption yet there appears to be a legal industry built around it.

Smokers don't moan. It's non-smokers who do. Please remember that.

You seem pretty moany now there's a ban!

*gasp* Sput, we AGREE on something!

[Sput]

*gasp* Sput, we AGREE on something!

Shut up. I've changed my mind now.

[Lorns]

*gasp* Sput, we AGREE on something!

Shut up. I've changed my mind now.

Are you a passive smoker Ands?
You sound abit tetchy. I could always call round a blow abit of smoke in your face for you. I have magic smoke. It makes you all happy and contended.

[Sput]

I know *all* about magic smoke, it's stuffed inside everything modern to make it work. Think of when your telly explodes and releases its magic smoke - it doesn't work again because it needs to be refilled. Cars need vast quantities of magic smoke to operate, that's why the tubes in the engine are so big.

[Lorns]

Lets all have a sing song....



Lyrics: "Puff, the Magic Dragon"
Recorded by: "Peter, Paul, and Mary"
Written by: (Leonard Lipton, Peter Yarrow)
Album: "Moving" - 1962

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee

Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff,
and brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff. Oh

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee

Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail
Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail,
Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came,
Pirate ships would lower their flags when Puff roared out his name. Oh

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee

A dragon lives forever but not so little boys
Painted wings and giant rings make way for other toys.
One grey night it happened, Jackie Paper came no more
And Puff that mighty dragon, he ceased his fearless roar.

His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain,
Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane.
Without his life-long friend, Puff could not be brave,
So Puff that mighty dragon sadly slipped into his cave. Oh

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee

[Nick Harvey]

And all the best to Mary Travers, soon fit, fine and back on stage.