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[Sput]

HOW shiny should the penny be? I'm not wasting good reflectivity if I buy Metro!

Only Asa Hicks can buy the site for a penny - its in the contract.

I hear he has plans to feature Morrisons' staff rotas. Endless speculation about whether Mabel on loose meats is preggers, and who bagged the easter weekend on their floating day entitlement.

The site, for everyone else, will be sold at market value.

Ha'penny.

I heard it was because she's been negotiating with Tesco to provide her pastry rolling skills.

[Gavin Scott]

Why is the "HELP ME WITH MY WORK!!!" thread allowed to be on TV Forum at the moment?

Apparently (I re-read after my post) this person is a student - yet he's asking forumers to all chip in to write his piece - and what's worse is they're falling over themselves to do it.

Pile of garbage.

[Pete]

Why is the "HELP ME WITH MY WORK!!!" thread allowed to be on TV Forum at the moment?

Apparently (I re-read after my post) this person is a student - yet he's asking forumers to all chip in to write his piece - and what's worse is they're falling over themselves to do it.

Pile of garbage.

Yes I wondered that too, I ignored it as I thought it would be swept away within an hour or so, what a load of crap.

[Gavin Scott]

Naturally, as I have now said what I think should be said, the thread will disappear, or more likely my post will.

[Sput]

I never go to TVF unless it's driven by Hewitt/an uploader problem. I'm not invested in it, and I don't care much about TV Pres these days, but I had the following to say after reading past page 1 of the Japanese Earthquake thread...

THIS.

Right here.

This thread is a BEAUTIFUL example of why the old people of the forum bitch about how crummy it is now. It starts out with tentative discussion of *gasp* presentation, and then as soon as someone mentions a name it goes all Rain Man, and there seems to be a bizarre one-upmanship with who can reproduce an exhaustive list of who is rota'd on and when the fastest.

Now, to describe the situation with a broad brush, it'd have been a lot more of the former and almost none of the latter back in, say, 2002. It's creepy and rude. Not that slagging off poor graphics isn't rude too, but it's at least got some pretence of a meritocracy.

Just an observation. Continue.

It's a nice microcosm, all right.

[Beep]

I never go to TVF unless it's driven by Hewitt/an uploader problem. I'm not invested in it, and I don't care much about TV Pres these days, but I had the following to say after reading past page 1 of the Japanese Earthquake thread...

THIS.

Right here.

This thread is a BEAUTIFUL example of why the old people of the forum bitch about how crummy it is now. It starts out with tentative discussion of *gasp* presentation, and then as soon as someone mentions a name it goes all Rain Man, and there seems to be a bizarre one-upmanship with who can reproduce an exhaustive list of who is rota'd on and when the fastest.

Now, to describe the situation with a broad brush, it'd have been a lot more of the former and almost none of the latter back in, say, 2002. It's creepy and rude. Not that slagging off poor graphics isn't rude too, but it's at least got some pretence of a meritocracy.

Just an observation. Continue.

It's a nice microcosm, all right.

Next post after that:

Julie Ethchingham is heading to Tokyo for ITV.

[Andrew]

It also seems to revolve around BBC World and what some obsure presenters that nobody has heard of are doing as well, which is even worse than discussing BBC1 News and the News Channel.

In a similar way, the thread about cuts to BBC2 got bogged down in suggestions that BBC World and/or BBC World's filler programmes should be aired on there instead

I don't have a clue what 'The Hub' is, or who presents it.

[Pete]

With due respect, television news has moved on and presentation doesn't change as much as it used to with big stories. The main channels are using the same presentation as always, so if that was the sole point of discussion then the thread would be a couple of posts long.

*FUMES*

[Sput]

It does remind me of the race to report "Nothing from Emley Moor", or whatever transmitter you were on, whenever something new was seen (if anyone was on the old ondigital mailing list of pre-2000).

[Schwing]

I never go to TVF unless it's driven by Hewitt/an uploader problem. I'm not invested in it, and I don't care much about TV Pres these days, but I had the following to say after reading past page 1 of the Japanese Earthquake thread...

THIS.

Right here.

This thread is a BEAUTIFUL example of why the old people of the forum bitch about how crummy it is now. It starts out with tentative discussion of *gasp* presentation, and then as soon as someone mentions a name it goes all Rain Man, and there seems to be a bizarre one-upmanship with who can reproduce an exhaustive list of who is rota'd on and when the fastest.

Now, to describe the situation with a broad brush, it'd have been a lot more of the former and almost none of the latter back in, say, 2002. It's creepy and rude. Not that slagging off poor graphics isn't rude too, but it's at least got some pretence of a meritocracy.

Just an observation. Continue.

It's a nice microcosm, all right.

I think that there's a larger issue that's been overlooked here (sorry Sput). I agree entirely that the various threads are cluttered with endless analyses of who clocked in at what time, who clocked off early, etc. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some members didn't soon begin to speculate about whether Huw Edwards, Carrie Gracie and the rest use public transport and in particular which number bus.

Of more concern is the fact that ethan8081 felt no compunction or urge to explain or justify his comments about Louise Minchin. He said

Who is the woman presenting the BBC News coverage, I don't thinks she doing that good and is acting dumb

Why does he think that? Why isn't she doing well? (Please note, I took the time to correct your sloppy grammar - it's "doing that WELL" not "doing that GOOD") In what way is she 'acting dumb'? For Christ's sake is it really all that difficult to expect that on a discussion board its contributors take the time to engage in a discussion?

This segues nicely with my next point. Gavin queried why on earth the 'Help me with my homework' thread had not been closed down. The answer is obvious - the Forum is no longer managed properly. A thread such as that would have received short shrift years ago and been shut quickly, as would contributions from the likes of ginofish or ethan8081. Not any longer. There is a lack of focus on the Forum on the part of the mods. That somebody took the time to create a thread to seek help with their homework/project exemplifies the fact that the Forum is overrun largely by a) individuals still in secondary school, a vast majority of whom are able to contribute only during holidays and b) students pursuing courses in 'meedya' studies. Now before anybody jumps on the bandwagon and accuses me of being an academic snob, I'll save you the trouble. I am. Unashamedly so, yet there is a larger issue. I can't for the life of me fathom why it is that somebody who is enrolled on (presumably) a media studies course has to request the help of those on a discussion board to complete their work. Perhaps I expect too much, but surely that should be the function of the tutor or lecturer.

I know that there are people on these boards that do work within the media (myself included) but the gene pool of TV Forum has been watered down significantly and it is increasingly a schoolyard in which the unhinged become apoplectic if Adrian Chiles and Christine Bleakley reverse the way in which they sit and proceed to flood the forum with their inane chatter and childish point-scoring.

[itsrobert]

Hi everyone. I don't venture over here much but I'm at the end of my tether with TV Forum at the moment, like so many of you. Having been a member since day one, it's so sad to see the state it's in nowadays. It really saddens me that so many of the old guard have left and it's definitely down to all this rota crap. I fought against this development for a while when I was a mod but it's slowly just taken over. If I recall correctly, one of my last suggestions before giving up moderating was to separate off the rota discussion into separate threads. That seemed to work for a while but in the end the boundaries between normal threads and rota threads became blurred. If I'm brutally honest, like Schwing, I think the explanation is in the practically non-existent moderation. I can't honestly remember the last time I even saw a mod post. Many members used to complain that I was too heavy-handed as a mod, but the situation now is ridiculous - it's like a ship without a rudder. There's no way I would have let the likes of ginofish et al run roughshod over the forum in the way that they have. The only way I can see the forum improving is if a heavy-handed approach is taken once more - not against the (rightly) frustrated long-standing members, but being ruthless with the members who are really at the root of the problem. Only by doing this and properly enforcing the rules (especially the one about staying on-topic, which seems to have gone out of the window) can TV Forum return to its former glory.