you're meant to make a self indulgent post on TV Forum when you do that, allowing cretins to appear and go "no, don't leave"James H wrote:Well, that's it - after seven long years, I'm giving up on TV Forum.
There's just no damn point any more.
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Wow thanks for that. Like you I have an interest in TV and moreover I work in it so I get your point that it's nice to attract industry types. I read the forum just like any other user, I also look out of iffy topics but I cant and don't read all of them. I have no interest in GMTV so I don't visit it often enough to notice things going wrong, if you were to use the RTP function as I mentioned I get an alert and obviously go more in depth in in reading a thread to work out of the RTP is valid and act accordingly. I have a life, moreover I have a job, as do Asa and Charlie so we can't be there 24/7 which is why there are a number of systems in place that look after the forum when a mod isn't about but we need to be made aware of threads that go off topic or members acting inappropriately, we do our best to keep things on track and I think for the most part succeed.Alexia wrote:Maybe I'm misunderstanding the term "moderator", but is it not your job (and i may add, not just your job, but one or two other people as well) to keep an eye on proceedings? Even a casual visitor like me only takes 10 minutes to scan through the four or five active threads when I log on of an evening and notice that the usual group of plebs and inebriates have taken over proceedings.Bail wrote:Do you think I bother reading threads like that? I only notice them when they're RTP'ed which I see you sometimes do, but if something is warranting attention RTP it or post it here, I'll notice it more!
What you must realise is that while TVF attracts the losers, the obsessives and the lonely of society, it also attracts the cream of presentation and programming experts, as evidenced by, amongst others, the excellent graphic designers and broadcasting veterans which attend the board. We want less of the former and more of the latter. We want enthusiasts to converse in a sensible (not necessarily adult) constructive manner. What we don't want is those whom would enrich the discussion on the board being turned away and dissuaded by the likes of IPDean, Lightoftruth, and also a few of those who have been there longer than the school holidays.
I think you failed miserably when a Daybreak thread was started when the current GMTV one would have done fine until Daybreak launched. In fact, it's the Daybreak thread that seems to have caused a lot of the issues.
I won't pretend I know the job of a moderator or what it entails. Nor will I even admit to being the best behaved member of either TVF or Metropol. I bluster, I make assumptions and I offend. I also have a very active interest in television presentation. However I know the rules, I know the expectations of my peers, and I know vaguely where and when to open my mouth. Some on the forum need to be reminded of the expectations of TVF's alumni, and when their words are unnecessary, stupid or derogatory. And it needs to be a more active sort of intervention, rather than waiting for someone to RTP.
You get the shiny purple name, so earn it.
I've tried the heavy handed approach and it doesn't work, I find how I moderate now more level handed and suitable to TVForum, if you don't like it thats fine with me but TVForum is an open forum, open to everyone. I was 14 once and I was immature and over confident, we all were. Banning people just because they're young and over enthusiastic isn't an option, banning people because they're rude, aggressive, off topic etc is.
Unlike most forums I've used or seen we don't have masses and masses of sticky threads outlining this forums specific rules and regulations, we don't say what does and doesn't happen and thats because we want TVForum to be an open community for any and all to discuss television. Every forum has its own bespoke system of rules that only the senior members know, and its their place to remind others of what we do and don't allow, its not their place to belittle and berate them for breaking rules they can know nothing about.
TVForum started as presentation forum and as things like rota threads gain popularity we accommodate for them, personally I can't stand them, but it doesn't mean I'll ban anyone starting them. And it doesn't mean I'll be doing anything differently from as I already do, RTP it and it will be looked at. If it's getting ott put it here so it doesn't miss my radar.
Fuck that - let the cretins eat cock and the jobsworths get a real job. I can't be arsed with power trip moderators and dismal fifteen year olds who've never heard the word 'wank' before except in the case of Helen from GMTV.Pete wrote:you're meant to make a self indulgent post on TV Forum when you do that, allowing cretins to appear and go "no, don't leave"James H wrote:Well, that's it - after seven long years, I'm giving up on TV Forum.
There's just no damn point any more.
Useless.
I think it's the whole thing to be honest. Nothing on there appeals to me any more. It's mostly comprising people pretending to have sources (when really they've stalked some poor cunt's Twitter account), 15 year olds trying to big themselves up and yes, that turd of a Daybreak thread. Danslick really scares me - he seems like someone who'd be willing to send bits of his own metaphorical puke to Helen Fospero if he thought she'd like him - and frankly the only time I want to come into contact with anyone like that ever again is if they're sitting in the spack seats in a theatre.
I really used to enjoy TVF and the little tidbits of information we'd get from insiders, etc. Granted they're still there but now they're reduced to commenting on fucking who's presenting the Six o clock news, which is entirely irrelevant IMO to television presentation. If they want a forum for rotas, go and set up a new sparkling forum just for discussing fucking rotas.
That and, as I do more with my real life, my internet life becomes less important. This place is still great but TV Forum's nothing, now. And I'm sad to say that- I'm not one of these mentals who pretends they 'couldn't care less'. It's SAD that I feel like this.
So not much, Pete...
I really used to enjoy TVF and the little tidbits of information we'd get from insiders, etc. Granted they're still there but now they're reduced to commenting on fucking who's presenting the Six o clock news, which is entirely irrelevant IMO to television presentation. If they want a forum for rotas, go and set up a new sparkling forum just for discussing fucking rotas.
That and, as I do more with my real life, my internet life becomes less important. This place is still great but TV Forum's nothing, now. And I'm sad to say that- I'm not one of these mentals who pretends they 'couldn't care less'. It's SAD that I feel like this.
So not much, Pete...
Yes. He mentions he's 15 in every other post.
It's also nice to be able to swear on here without having it censored. If the kids are old enough to use a keyboard, they're old enough to fucking swear.
Although I don't really like fucking swearing personally. Bit bloody unnecessary.
It's also nice to be able to swear on here without having it censored. If the kids are old enough to use a keyboard, they're old enough to fucking swear.
Although I don't really like fucking swearing personally. Bit bloody unnecessary.
No that was him. Every time someone criticises him he just says something like "Are you being rude to me because of my age" or "you're just jealous a 15 year old like me doesn't use text speak".Pete wrote:Was Danslick the one who suddenly came out with "and when I'm older I want to snatch her job from her and become king of GMTV showbiz" or was that another wierdo?
I do RTP things I know are definately against the rules, but with things which need guidance I don't bother any more because it seems a waste of time - either nothing happens, or posts get deleted, but there's never any explanation about why and how the members involved should avoid it in future. Look at the topic in question - there was over a page of people basically telling danslink he shouldn't be posting because he's only 15, and in my opinion that's unacceptable, but still now, nobody has been given a public* warning about this behaviour. Not only does it put off young members from joining, but it also puts off older members who'll look at the site and just think it's a creche. *I say public - it doesn't need to be aimed at anyone in particular, but a general post saying "this behaviour is not tolerated on this forum and action will be taken" will stop those already doing it, and those contemplating it.
TVF seems to be slowly turning into the juvenile version of Digital Spy. I used to hate that site, with it's over enthusiastic moderation, excessive rules, rude posters and obsessive newbies, but TVF seems to be recruiting the latter, causing otherwise normal people to turn into the rude posters, and there's nothing being done to encourage the obsessives to become slightly normal. Right now, I think the two sites are about the same in terms of quality, and I feel that's a real shame because TVF used to be miles ahead.
At the moment there is only one good thread on the site, thankfully being avoided by the "natasha kaplinsky should be sacked because I've heard she smells of elderberries and I don't like them" brigade, and that's the ITV in the 90s thread. I find it really interesting, especially as my memories of Anglia TV at that time is walking around Anglia House with my Dad, or sitting in the back of an OB truck with him, sparking off my interest in it today, and ending up with me getting opportunities to do stuff nobody has done before (at 21 I was - we believe - the youngest engineer level crew on the Olympic Games until that point. Lots of younger people had worked them, but none with the level of responsibility I had - this in turn annoys me now when people say that the 15/16 year olds know nothing - at that age I was panning links for Channel 4 Racing, and could capably rack cameras)
IMHO, what TVF needs is a stronger, more visible moderation team, there to guide new posters into using the site, and to put the older members back in place when they decide to appoint themselves as judge, jury and executioner at the site of a new poster. I accept that you (Bail), Charlie and Asa may be busy, but if that's the case, that just means you need more moderators (not that I'm volunteering - I'd just go on a banning spree, and then realise I had other stuff to do!). At the moment, that place just seems like anarchy, and the traditionally more leniant / fun metropol seems like it's grown up and responsible! At the end of the day, I want more discussion about how TV works, personal insights and stuff like that, and much less of the "xxx would take the job as Five News presenter because she looks like she could do with the money" (real post), "xxx was rubbish, it was that bad I had to imaginarialy have diareah to excuse myself from it" and "xxx should stop posting cos he's an idiot". I couldn't care less what comes out of the mind of a slightly horny 15 year old while watching the news, but I would love to hear much more from the minds of those who are currently bringing major events to millions of people.
(Phew, rant over - I'm off to the pub - enjoy your Friday nights everyone!)
TVF seems to be slowly turning into the juvenile version of Digital Spy. I used to hate that site, with it's over enthusiastic moderation, excessive rules, rude posters and obsessive newbies, but TVF seems to be recruiting the latter, causing otherwise normal people to turn into the rude posters, and there's nothing being done to encourage the obsessives to become slightly normal. Right now, I think the two sites are about the same in terms of quality, and I feel that's a real shame because TVF used to be miles ahead.
At the moment there is only one good thread on the site, thankfully being avoided by the "natasha kaplinsky should be sacked because I've heard she smells of elderberries and I don't like them" brigade, and that's the ITV in the 90s thread. I find it really interesting, especially as my memories of Anglia TV at that time is walking around Anglia House with my Dad, or sitting in the back of an OB truck with him, sparking off my interest in it today, and ending up with me getting opportunities to do stuff nobody has done before (at 21 I was - we believe - the youngest engineer level crew on the Olympic Games until that point. Lots of younger people had worked them, but none with the level of responsibility I had - this in turn annoys me now when people say that the 15/16 year olds know nothing - at that age I was panning links for Channel 4 Racing, and could capably rack cameras)
IMHO, what TVF needs is a stronger, more visible moderation team, there to guide new posters into using the site, and to put the older members back in place when they decide to appoint themselves as judge, jury and executioner at the site of a new poster. I accept that you (Bail), Charlie and Asa may be busy, but if that's the case, that just means you need more moderators (not that I'm volunteering - I'd just go on a banning spree, and then realise I had other stuff to do!). At the moment, that place just seems like anarchy, and the traditionally more leniant / fun metropol seems like it's grown up and responsible! At the end of the day, I want more discussion about how TV works, personal insights and stuff like that, and much less of the "xxx would take the job as Five News presenter because she looks like she could do with the money" (real post), "xxx was rubbish, it was that bad I had to imaginarialy have diareah to excuse myself from it" and "xxx should stop posting cos he's an idiot". I couldn't care less what comes out of the mind of a slightly horny 15 year old while watching the news, but I would love to hear much more from the minds of those who are currently bringing major events to millions of people.
(Phew, rant over - I'm off to the pub - enjoy your Friday nights everyone!)
Ha, great post dos!
That probably is a good idea, I mean if the moderating team aren't there to moderate... the obvious answer is to get more moderators. Maybe not particularly existing members, but other people who would be willing to moderate a board, but I know that would be hard to do.
That probably is a good idea, I mean if the moderating team aren't there to moderate... the obvious answer is to get more moderators. Maybe not particularly existing members, but other people who would be willing to moderate a board, but I know that would be hard to do.