Yet another Morrisons thread

Pete · Mon 11 Jul, 2011 10.27

are they easy to see though? I get the impression you'd have to look more carefully at them than paper ones.

The old Safeway ones were definitely less advanced, IIRC they only had the price section and then needed a sticker for the product info.

SirKen · Mon 11 Jul, 2011 10.32

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/SirKen/IMG1 ... 8-1125.jpg

Yeah definitely easier to see and retain information - the long no below the barcode is the products EAN and 'F2' means 2 facings of that product.

nwtv2003 · Mon 11 Jul, 2011 10.43

I've worked in a store the size of a Morrisons Local and it doesn't take "10 hours" to replace SELs or whatever Morrisons are claiming.

In a normal sized Morrisons store it would take about 10 hours and several members of staff to change the SELs, about 6 hours of it done on a Sunday night. But you are right in a convienience sized store it wouldn't take as long.

Pete · Mon 11 Jul, 2011 11.40

nwtv2003 wrote:
I've worked in a store the size of a Morrisons Local and it doesn't take "10 hours" to replace SELs or whatever Morrisons are claiming.
In a normal sized Morrisons store it would take about 10 hours and several members of staff to change the SELs, about 6 hours of it done on a Sunday night. But you are right in a convienience sized store it wouldn't take as long.

Plus don't forget all the joys of generally damaged paper tickets and the (no doubt) Lexmark printers munching up the labels leading to half an hour on the phone to systems.

Gavin Scott · Mon 11 Jul, 2011 13.18

Well I'd never seen such a thing until today.

What a world.

WillPS · Tue 12 Jul, 2011 01.56

I 'rescued' one of the Safeway eSELs the day before the store closed to make way for Morrisons.

God knows what they did with the rest.

I still don't understand why Morrisons refused to take on any of Safeway's systems.

I'm surprised that it's taken this long for the idea to resurface, and that Morrisons are the ones to do it. Looks like these are epaper based ones, they just need to change the backing panel then it'll be spot on.

bilky asko · Tue 12 Jul, 2011 02.12

They still look quite difficult to read, compared with paper ones anyway. Perhaps 'difficult' is the wrong word, but they're definitely not very clear.

I'm guessing they'd need to be removed regularly to be recharged / have the batteries replaced? It does feel a bit like technology for the sake of technology. I've worked in a store the size of a Morrisons Local and it doesn't take "10 hours" to replace SELs or whatever Morrisons are claiming.

These particular displays may be based on e-paper, so power is only drawn when the display is updated - I may be wrong however. If they're LCD displays, it will be much like a calculator display.

Not much power is drawn with these labels, so they should last years before they need replacing. According to Fujitsu, their LCD ESELs last 10 years.

SirKen · Tue 12 Jul, 2011 08.01

WillPS wrote:I 'rescued' one of the Safeway eSELs the day before the store closed to make way for Morrisons.

God knows what they did with the rest.

I still don't understand why Morrisons refused to take on any of Safeway's systems.

I'm surprised that it's taken this long for the idea to resurface, and that Morrisons are the ones to do it. Looks like these are epaper based ones, they just need to change the backing panel then it'll be spot on.

It was incompatible with their existing suite of systems so they couldnt take them on, they didnt want the ordering system because like many - it cant handle uplifts particularly well and Sir Ken said their wastage was 'a number he didnt recognise'.

I think we can debate the whats and wherefors all day regarding systems but they've done it their own way once again, they did look like e-ink to me - more Kindle than LCD.

WillPS · Tue 12 Jul, 2011 18.41

bilky asko wrote:
They still look quite difficult to read, compared with paper ones anyway. Perhaps 'difficult' is the wrong word, but they're definitely not very clear.

I'm guessing they'd need to be removed regularly to be recharged / have the batteries replaced? It does feel a bit like technology for the sake of technology. I've worked in a store the size of a Morrisons Local and it doesn't take "10 hours" to replace SELs or whatever Morrisons are claiming.
These particular displays may be based on e-paper, so power is only drawn when the display is updated - I may be wrong however. If they're LCD displays, it will be much like a calculator display.

Not much power is drawn with these labels, so they should last years before they need replacing. According to Fujitsu, their LCD ESELs last 10 years.

I'm guessing they need to use a tiny bit of power to check for an update, which I'm guessing they do once a day in the early hours.

It's a big jump anyway - Morrisons' Paper SELs are horrible, reminiscent of the ones JS used until their revamp c.2000. Their policy of marking whole ranges as "PRICED" is crap as well; as well as being unclear as to what it means to somebody who doesn't work in retail nor shop regularly at Morrisons ("prices as marked" would be clearer), some of the ranges (I'm thinking sweets) generally only change price once or twice a year - how much labour are they really saving?

SirKen · Tue 12 Jul, 2011 20.12

Priced is a funny one for definite, their own label stuff go through their factories but they do indeed carry the price on the product itself. I'd rather stuck the price on the SEL as well as the product.

New sel's look better that are with the new Pegasus Oracle system.

woah · Tue 12 Jul, 2011 20.40

How much do these eSELs actually cost to buy each? I'm imagining at least £5/£10, which could lead to thousands of pounds per store!