2015 UK Election

[WillPS]

I think AV[+] would be an elastoplast over a gaping wound at this stage. There was a piece in The Guardian recently suggesting that a Miliband led government could endorse a move to full-on PR. It's difficult to justify FPTP or AV when the SNP could wipe every other party out of Scotland with a mandate of only 50% of the electorate.

[Alexia]

The problem I have with the Greens is that they are still too idealistic, not realistic. Lots of people still see them as a one-trick pony.

Ed Miliband has come out last night to say that, ideologically, he is closer to the Tories than he is to the SNP or Plaid. Wazzock.


Incidentally, an amusing article in the Telegraph of all places re Nic S.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... rgeon.html

[Pete]

For those who didn't see the Sturgeon interview after QT the other night, there was a woman who said to Nicola that she really liked their policies but didn't want a referendum. She said she'd happily vote for them but thought they'd try and push one because a chunk of their new membership are die hard indy or nowt voters.

I suspect a large number of those moving from Labour are of a similar viewpoint and that NS's example of England dragging Scotland out of the EU against its will as her example of a valid trigger is quite prudent. A groundswell of SNP support doesn't necessarily mean a groundswell of support for a referendum or independence.

[Gavin Scott]

For those who didn't see the Sturgeon interview after QT the other night, there was a woman who said to Nicola that she really liked their policies but didn't want a referendum. She said she'd happily vote for them but thought they'd try and push one because a chunk of their new membership are die hard indy or nowt voters.

I suspect a large number of those moving from Labour are of a similar viewpoint and that NS's example of England dragging Scotland out of the EU against its will as her example of a valid trigger is quite prudent. A groundswell of SNP support doesn't necessarily mean a groundswell of support for a referendum or independence.

Of course, that particular trigger is unlikely to happen as a conservative majority is extremely unlikely and the arithmetic for a working minority is patchy at best.

Personally I don't foresee a call for a 2nd referendum in the 2016 Holyrood manifesto. Thereafter, who knows.

[thegeek]

A groundswell of SNP support doesn't necessarily mean a groundswell of support for a referendum or independence.

The trouble is, its very easy for Cameron to claim otherwise - which is one of the reasons behind Miliband's "wouldn't touch them with a bargepole" act.
It's a sorry state of affairs.

[Pete]

Of course, that particular trigger is unlikely to happen as a conservative majority is extremely unlikely and the arithmetic for a working minority is patchy at best.

Personally I don't foresee a call for a 2nd referendum in the 2016 Holyrood manifesto. Thereafter, who knows.

Indeed. Cameron's comment about "not working with anyone who will vote against their EU referendum" is to be as silly as Miliband's SNP comment. Exactly who does that leave them with except UKIP? Whichever of the two ends up PM will probably have one of their comments from Thursday night as their Nick Clegg tuition fees millstone for the next parliament.

[barcode]

I'm going to get slatted to hell for the following:

Personally I DO foresee a call for a 2nd referendum in the 2016 Holyrood manifesto, under certain conditions, and I voted NO I wasn't happy at the time and I'm still not, I still question if I did the right then but the questions about OIL, debt, let alone contracts. The problem is if David C ( insert correct word or See you next Tuesday) stay in office for another 5 years, There be no question that 2nd referendum will be on the books and this time will be voting YES, I know alot of other people who would also change their minds. There may be many who still believe ohh Socialist Scotland at it again. YES Scotland is more left wing than England, and there were pockets of communist having power in local councils.

I believe Scotland is more Centre with left wing ideas, how else could you explain the council house sell offs. Scottish water is privately run but is own by the government, but there have no real say in its day to day running.

Saying that, I'm been very unhappy with Labour for years now, Gordon is last decent person. Ed is a prat, along with balls. All there doing is running about like headless chickens over middle England, whats worse it has NO vision.

SNP are playing a brilliant game, mainly because there going out into the street meeting people, but some of the "Member" need a good kick up the backside for some of their actions, especially agiast Labour. In my local area NON of them should win seats, there done nothing but make the Member do all the work. I look on the telly, and see all the other places getting visits, etc but were been left behide, even the Lib dems have given up.

[all new Phil]

Why do you feel the need to be *so* rude about David Cameron?

I mean, I'm towards the other end of the political spectrum to you, clearly, but I still respect the views that parties other than those I support hold.

Comments like that just undermine everything else you say in the post, to be honest.

[barcode]

Why do you feel the need to be *so* rude about David Cameron?

I mean, I'm towards the other end of the political spectrum to you, clearly, but I still respect the views that parties other than those I support hold.

Comments like that just undermine everything else you say in the post, to be honest.

If the Tories had someone like John Major or Mrs Thatcher then it wouldn't be so bad, Down to earth people had an eye on the ball for most of the times. That man, come on you can't say he's not bloody awful? He is upper class toff he try's to be normal, he doesn't understand most things. He really is part of the problem with the current political class. He is far to smug, up his own back side, He was warned not to make that speech at 7am on 17th September, but no, he just turned the screw, it was true he only cared because he wasn't going to be the PM that destroy the union. #

There are FAR better people who should be leading the tory party. If Boris get it then i think UKIP will pick up even more right wingers.

Lets be fair here we have the two worse possible candidates for prime mister in a very long time, its either pick the shite one or the other shite one, and that really depression.

[Critique]

If the Tories had someone like John Major or Mrs Thatcher then it wouldn't be so bad, Down to earth people had an eye on the ball for most of the times. That man, come on you can't say he's not bloody awful?

Wait, so you're saying that Margaret Thatcher would be an improvement on David Cameron (note not David C or even worse just David, why must you refer to him in the colloquial)? People may not like Cameron but I don't think there's even a slim chance that he's been as divisive as Thatcher was, and comparing the records of the two he's been much more moderate and pragmatic than Thatcher was, which I can only see as a good thing

Also even by your standards that ranty post you made is quite difficult to understand.

[WillPS]

Why do you feel the need to be *so* rude about David Cameron?

I can't see the comment in barcode's post (it's pretty hard work tbh), but I deeply loathe him and pretty much all the Tory front bench. Their manner reminds me of being in hospital and having someone at the end of my bed/within earshot talking about me and not to me. The way they describe their actions as "for hard working Britons..." - just fuck off. I *am* a "hard working Briton" and the last thing I want is for you lot to be making other people's lives harder for a few extra quid on my payslip. We all have to live among people who require help from the state and treating them all as a bunch of scivers frankly doesn't lead to a cohesive society.

So yeah, I have no problem with saying the man/his team are a total bunch of cunts. Gove can really go fuck himself.