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So the Conservative approach today is to use a former prime minister to repeat the SNP / Labour rhetoric. Conservatives need a new election strategist. Isn't this William Hague's parting gift to the party ? They've done a great job of making Miliband credible.

Square Eyes wrote:So the Conservative approach today is to use a former prime minister to repeat the SNP / Labour rhetoric. Conservatives need a new election strategist. Isn't this William Hague's parting gift to the party ? They've done a great job of making Miliband credible.

I agree - that said however, I thought Major's speech was much more memorable than anything Cameron has said up to now.

As strategies go, it's a bit crap. It effectively boils down to vote us to stop the SNP from having any effect... but the SNP are politically aligned with Labour. Whether they are in some form of alliance with the government or not, they'll have an overwhelming majority in Scotland and the same will doubtless be true next year.

The whole thing could have been averted by an SNP pledge to not campaign for another referendum until 2021.

The whole thing can still be averted with said referendum being used as a bargaining tool. If you don't campaign for indyref 2, we won't renew Trident or something like that.

The thing I'm worried about is getting into a situation where the Referendum is constantly being re-run every few years until there is finally a Yes vote. It's almost like because the SNP didn't get the result they wanted, they want the referendum re-run in some belief that the result was somehow inaccurate. A kind of "Well, they voted no but we know deep down everyone wants to leave the Union really so let's have another go."

robschneider wrote:The thing I'm worried about is getting into a situation where the Referendum is constantly being re-run every few years until there is finally a Yes vote. It's almost like because the SNP didn't get the result they wanted, they want the referendum re-run in some belief that the result was somehow inaccurate. A kind of "Well, they voted no but we know deep down everyone wants to leave the Union really so let's have another go."

So if a UK/EU referendum is run and there's a 55%-45% split in favour of remaining in the EU, will UKIP fuck off into the sunset? Or will they carry on until they get THEIR desired result?

Double post, ignore.

robschneider wrote:

Alexia wrote:

robschneider wrote:The thing I'm worried about is getting into a situation where the Referendum is constantly being re-run every few years until there is finally a Yes vote. It's almost like because the SNP didn't get the result they wanted, they want the referendum re-run in some belief that the result was somehow inaccurate. A kind of "Well, they voted no but we know deep down everyone wants to leave the Union really so let's have another go."

So if a UK/EU referendum is run and there's a 55%-45% split in favour of remaining in the EU, will UKIP fuck off into the sunset? Or will they carry on until they get THER desired result?

And I don't want that happening either, it makes a mockery of the idea in both cases. Majority rules, end of.

However, if Cameron does get in I hope he sticks to his word and doesn't find an excuse not to hold a referendum.

robschneider wrote:However, if Cameron does get in I hope he sticks to his word and doesn't find an excuse not to hold a referendum.

Alexia wrote:

robschneider wrote:However, if Cameron does get in I hope he sticks to his word and doesn't find an excuse not to hold a referendum.

Why's that funny? It's quite obvious he doesn't really want to hold it.

robschneider wrote:And I don't want that happening either, it makes a mockery of the idea in both cases. Majority rules, end of.

However, if Cameron does get in I hope he sticks to his word and doesn't find an excuse not to hold a referendum.

Well, there has been a referendum on our membership of the EU (then called the 'common market') previously, and the result was a lot more decisive.

But yeah, I take your point - and actually I don't think holding another referendum so soon after the last will be taken particularly well.

There are plenty in Scotland who would support the SNP but vote No.