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Gavin Scott wrote:In essence, it was some (really unlikeable) bloke who "reckons" that Apple is some sort of cult. As the programme opened, there he was sat in his kitchen holding up a Nokia classic phone and his Windows netbook. He goes on to say that, as good and as suitable as these devices are, he comes under constant criticism from pals who like Apple products.
Mhm.

I just wrote four large paragraphs about cults, cult leaders, nuclear families, egomania, pyramid schemes, peer pressure and mass suicide. Then I got bored and remembered I'm not a qualified sociologist anyway and deleted it all. What's the point.

I hope you enjoy your iPad.
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Well, no offence, but that that did sound pretty boring.

Yes thanks I love it.
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I'll say this though, I miss the days when we looked forward to what the future might bring. It seems that technological advancement has stagnated and all people have got to look forward to now is the release of the next iThing whilst poking fun at the past, as though we are the SMASH robots looking down at another world. Haven't you noticed that on the TV? Lots of mulling over the past; very little about the future. The stagnation is reflected in fashion, music, films (remakes of the good stuff I mean - only not done to the same standard). There's just no perceptible hope or aspiration anymore. It's like what we have now is good enough and if it gets boring we can amuse ourselves with the past. So the next iPad will have twice as many gigabytes of storage as the last one and the resolution of Super HD TV will be marginally bigger than HD. Wow.

As Peggy Lee once sang: is that all there is?

Where's the future? Seriously, I'm considering taking Ronnie's advice and becoming a pot-smoking, tree-dwelling hippy, because most days I wake up now thinking oh my God, it's the same old thing every day! Climate change this (been going on since the 70s), terrorism that (that's been going on since the dawn of time), another celebrity's had an affair (you would think affairs were only invented in the year 2000) oh a politican used the term 'date rape' when he meant consensual rape. That's the most interesting thing that's happened all week! Let's make a song and dance about it; oh no, wait, an ice sheet just melted. Jesus...
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Chie wrote:I'll say this though, I miss the days when we looked forward to what the future might bring. It seems that technological advancement has stagnated and all people have got to look forward to now is the release of the next iThing whilst poking fun at the past, as though we are the SMASH robots looking down at another world. Haven't you noticed that on the TV? Lots of mulling over the past; very little about the future. The stagnation is reflected in fashion, music, films (remakes of the good stuff I mean - only not done to the same standard). There's just no perceptible hope or aspiration anymore. It's like what we have now is good enough and if it gets boring we can amuse ourselves with the past. So the next iPad will have twice as many gigabytes of storage as the last one and the resolution of Super HD TV will be marginally bigger than HD. Wow.

As Peggy Lee once sang: is that all there is?

Where's the future? Seriously, I'm considering taking Ronnie's advice and becoming a pot-smoking, tree-dwelling hippy, because most days I wake up now thinking oh my God, it's the same old thing every day! Climate change this (been going on since the 70s), terrorism that (that's been going on since the dawn of time), another celebrity's had an affair (you would think affairs were only invented in the year 2000) oh a politican used the term 'date rape' when he meant consensual rape. That's the most interesting thing that's happened all week! Let's make a song and dance about it; oh no, wait, an ice sheet just melted. Jesus...
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Chie wrote:I'll say this though, I miss the days when we looked forward to what the future might bring. It seems that technological advancement has stagnated and all people have got to look forward to now is the release of the next iThing whilst poking fun at the past, as though we are the SMASH robots looking down at another world. Haven't you noticed that on the TV? Lots of mulling over the past; very little about the future. The stagnation is reflected in fashion, music, films (remakes of the good stuff I mean - only not done to the same standard). There's just no perceptible hope or aspiration anymore. It's like what we have now is good enough and if it gets boring we can amuse ourselves with the past. So the next iPad will have twice as many gigabytes of storage as the last one and the resolution of Super HD TV will be marginally bigger than HD. Wow.

As Peggy Lee once sang: is that all there is?

Where's the future? Seriously, I'm considering taking Ronnie's advice and becoming a pot-smoking, tree-dwelling hippy, because most days I wake up now thinking oh my God, it's the same old thing every day! Climate change this (been going on since the 70s), terrorism that (that's been going on since the dawn of time), oh a politican used the term 'date rape' when he meant consensual rape. That's the most interesting thing that's happened all week, let's make a song and dance about it; oh no, wait, an ice sheet just melted. Jesus...
I don't recall him telling anyone to live in a tree or be a hippy, whatever that is, just to smoke some pot and relax.

The irony is that weed is pretty expensive as habits go, so it tends to be professional people who smoke it to unwind, or kids who have no tangible expenses aside from their mobile bill.

In answer to your observation about predicting the future - wouldn't you agree that technology is currently developing faster than consumers can consume it?

Tomorrow's World heralded CDs and microcomputers - but up to that point, things you had in your house in the 80s were largely the same as things in your house in the 70s.

That's not the case now. Who would have imagined tablets and netbooks and even the internet? Flexible OLCD displays, 3D TVs? The only thing left to imagine is teleporting and holography, and both are being developed.

Unless you've got some gems you'd like to share with us?

And as to Ken Clarke, lets not get into that one, shall we? Suffice to say that if you're going to make comments about rape during a phone in (which included a rape victim), its probably best to get your terms correct - and "date rape" was certainly not the right phrase to use in the context of what he was trying to say.
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Gavin Scott wrote:In answer to your observation about predicting the future - wouldn't you agree that technology is currently developing faster than consumers can consume it?
From what I can see, technology is barely developing at all. New products are being developed but they are mostly just a variation on a theme. Take Virgin's 'spacecraft' - it can travel up to 70,000 feet. The Lockheed Blackbird, a US spy plane built in the early 60s, could go to 80,000 feet. The only difference this time round is that Virgin's craft is capable of carrying more people, because unlike the Blackbird, it has to be towed into the upper atmosphere by another aircraft. I'm unimpressed.
Gavin Scott wrote:Tomorrow's World heralded CDs and microcomputers - but up to that point, things you had in your house in the 80s were largely the same as things in your house in the 70s.

That's not the case now. Who would have imagined tablets and netbooks and even the internet? Flexible OLCD displays, 3D TVs? The only thing left to imagine is teleporting and holography, and both are being developed.

Unless you've got some gems you'd like to share with us?
Okay but a new style of music would be nice, or new fashion, an original film idea, a new architectural style. Something. Anything. If teleportation becomes practical on a human scale then I will be impressed, though. I would love to know how they are going to immobilise your body while they 'scan' your atoms. What if your finger twitches and you're reprinted at the other end with a blurred finger? It'll be interesting to see how they solve that.
Gavin Scott wrote:And as to Ken Clarke, lets not get into that one, shall we? Suffice to say that if you're going to make comments about rape during a phone in (which included a rape victim), its probably best to get your terms correct - and "date rape" was certainly not the right phrase to use in the context of what he was trying to say.
Oh I agree, just the way the media turned it into a story annoyed me. To be honest though, any story that begins with 'so and so came under scrutiny/criticism today' is annoying. On any given day there must be so many interesting things going on in the world and instead the news chooses to focus on a politician who said a wrong word. It's cheap, and boring. Having said that, it's probably my fault (partly) for watching too much news.
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Chie wrote:From what I can see, technology is barely developing at all. New products are being developed but they are mostly just a variation on a theme.
I think you're being blasé about that. The camcorder Marty McFly has in Back to the Future was a leap forward - but now I own equipment capable of producing things you'd see in a big budget production - chromakey, compositing, motion tracking etc. The steps between then and now are massive - surely worthy of more than a glib "variation on a theme"?

I can take the point about music - but then there are only 8 notes in an octave, so there's a mathematical limit to how many melodies you can come up with before you start to repeat things you've heard before (and less when you remove discordant combinations.
Chie wrote:If teleportation becomes practical on a human scale then I will be impressed, though. I would love to know how they are going to immobilise your body while they 'scan' your atoms. What if your finger twitches and you're reprinted at the other end with a blurred finger? It'll be interesting to see how they solve that.
They can teleport a beam of light. Fingers are more tricky, according to heisenberg's uncertainty principle. But that's why scientists exist - to point out the difficulties and solve them.

I don't know, I think I'm happier saying, "its marvellous"; but if you'd rather say, "so what have you done for me *lately*?" that's ok too.
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Gavin Scott wrote:heisenberg's uncertainty principle
That is why you have Heisenberg Compensators.
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Pete wrote:
Gavin Scott wrote:heisenberg's uncertainty principle
That is why you have Heisenberg Compensators.
You are correct, number one.
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Gavin Scott wrote:So, did anyone catch the documentary about Apple last night on the Beeb?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13416272

In essence, it was some (really unlikeable) bloke who "reckons" that Apple is some sort of cult. As the programme opened, there he was sat in his kitchen holding up a Nokia classic phone and his Windows netbook. He goes on to say that, as good and as suitable as these devices are, he comes under constant criticism from pals who like Apple products.

Some well dodgy "science" reveals Apple consumers brains light up at the thought of new products and devices, in the same way that they do for those involved in evangelical religion. Sadly, they didn't perform the same test on boys with pictures of boobies or willies (preference dependent, naturally), or indeed some older single lady with pictures of cats and Galaxy bars.

Full of specious reasoning, assumption and bias, this was a documentary worthy of Channel 5, not the BBC.

Absolute unmitigated bollocks.

I like my iPad, am tempted by the iPhone, but love my PC(s). I may click on dodgy links on FB to glimpse the new products, but I like all new products.

This guy is shit. I'd only ever seen him before on Discovery channel (one of the lesser ones) talking about caravans, and he was shit on that too.
The bloke is Alex Riley, whose BBC presenting history is investigative documentaries on BBC Three. He did a series called Mischief, which included a documentary on "Disgusting Food", (which later was spun off to a miniseries) explaining the odd ingredients in food.

I actually found it quite thorough, yet with a humorous slant (desinged for the target audience of BBC Three) - presumably, this was meant to be the basis for this Apple documentary
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After a bit of digging, I have resurrected this thread...

So, not far from now, I shall be upgrading my phone, as I finally get out of contract with O2. Currently, I have an old BlackBerry Curve, which, when I first got it, was wonderful, fast, and compared to the phone I had before, intelligent. However, since then, it has became awful, slow, and compared to most other phones, stupid.

I'm not getting another BlackBerry, as the stability has put me right off, and lack of apps, etc. However, as you may have guessed, I've been looking at the iPhone 4S. Now, supposedly, I can get the 4S, with 16GB, on 3, for £30 a month, with the handset being free.

I'd get 5000 texts, 300 minutes and 500mb internet. This sounds like an absolutley smashing deal, as all other contracts involve a hideous £200+ handset cost if I wanted it at £30 a month. However, should I be buying an iPhone, is it as good as they all say, and is this a good deal?

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