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Chie wrote:We don't have the word democrats in our name, Alexia.

No, you are the Conservative party - i.e. conserving the status quo.

As a progressive, that makes me shudder.

DVB Cornwall wrote:Not at all. It's a stable body to run a country by. Simple straightforward competition, if some votes as a result are wasted so be it. It's like the gerrymandering of the education system to ensure nobody fails. If you can't convince more people to vote for you than the winner, tough luck try a different argument, you might win next time.

Poppycock. The system disqualifies any party but the two largest from ever gaining any sort of presence in parliament; it's entirely possible for a party to gain 20-30% of the popular vote without getting a single seat.

If I had been in Nottingham during the election my vote for the Lib Dems would have had absolutely no impact.

In my girlfriend's home constituency Ashfield there was a swing of 17% from Labour to the Lib Dems. How has that impacted Lib Dem's presence in parliament? It didn't.

Which is precisely how it should be Poppycock or not.

Well in that case why don't we just scrap democracy, give Labour safe seats and Conservatives safe seats and swap them round every 5 years. It's ludicrous.

Has it escaped your attention that perhaps the opposing parties policies are to blame, that they don't suit the electorate in the constituency or their selected candidate is inappropriate.

Sorry, it's part of the progressive agenda to find excuses to deny sensible logical authoritative solutions to issues and indeed create issues which don't really concern those whom they pretend to be suffering as a result of those created issues.

I think that argument is completely null. In most constituencies the chances are that the elected MP did not receive even close to half of the vote, which means that somewhere in the region of two thirds of that constituency's electorate are totally unrepresented.

Alexia wrote:

Chie wrote:We don't have the word democrats in our name, Alexia.

No, you are the Conservative party - i.e. conserving the status quo.

As a progressive, that makes me shudder.

Okay. What happens when you've achieved your goal of reconstructing society and made it perfect?

Will you not want to conserve it?

Indeed, what are you going to do once you've run out of things to change?

Let's get to this mythical perfect society first, shall we?

So you agree that it's mythical. Of course it's mythical. If it ever became a reality then progressivism would become redundant and you'd have nothing left to do.

Apart from.. oh yes, conserve it.

WillPS wrote:I think that argument is completely null. In most constituencies the chances are that the elected MP did not receive even close to half of the vote, which means that somewhere in the region of two thirds of that constituency's electorate are totally unrepresented.

Tough. They are of course represented by the winning candidate. People must experience loss and failure. It's good for them. What next, give some runners a start in Olympic events, because they are disadvantaged in some way or another, of course not.

Chie wrote:So you agree that it's mythical. Of course it's mythical. If it ever became a reality then progressivism would become redundant and you'd have nothing left to do.

Apart from.. oh yes, conserve it.

Yes, the notion of at any one time obtaining a 'perfect society' is ludicrous. It doesn't mean we shouldn't stop working towards making things better and better, rather than conserving, or more likely cutting; hence the Conservatives are never the right choice.

You are quite a troll aren't you?!

DVB Cornwall wrote:

WillPS wrote:I think that argument is completely null. In most constituencies the chances are that the elected MP did not receive even close to half of the vote, which means that somewhere in the region of two thirds of that constituency's electorate are totally unrepresented.

Tough. They are of course represented by the winning candidate. People must experience loss and failure. It's good for them. What next, give some runners a start in Olympic events, because they are disadvantaged in some way or another, of course not.

We're not handing out medals, we're dealing with democracy. In any of our neighbouring countries if I were to vote for the Liberals that vote has a direct effect on the Liberals position in that country's parliament. If I vote Lib Dem in Nottingham East, my vote will change nothing.