Page 4 of 8

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Thu 12 Nov, 2009 16.51
by Gavin Scott
cdd wrote:It's great fun to search through and you can find out all sorts of old tidbits that are simply not available for free access on the Internet.
You're not right there cdd.

It's "titbits" in the UK, "tidbits" in the States. They apparently found the "tit" to be offensive over the pond.

True story.

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Thu 12 Nov, 2009 21.35
by Alexia
Chie wrote: If you want to read a proper newspaper but can't afford to buy one then you can pop into your local library, where you'll find a selection of the day's newspapers - everything from the Daily Star to the Financial Times - which you can read at your leisure absolutely free of charge.

:roll:
Ooh did someone mention libraries? (Which are funded by your council tax.) You can also access the internet for free there.

We carry all the locals, the nationals and some internationals in my library where I work. We also have a huge selection of periodicals and magazines such as Diva, Gay Times and New Scientist. Not only can you read today's paper but also papers from the last month, and archive papers from the last 100 years

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 03.18
by Chie
lol.

http://www.newspapersoc.org.uk/Default.aspx?page=897
British people are among the most avid newspaper readers in the world. 80.4% of all British adults (39.5 million people) read a regional newspaper, compared with 61.0% who read a national newspaper.
You know what this means, don't you..? It means the majority of people read a newspaper :lol:

(Even though that's not what I was trying to imply in the first place.)
Gavin Scott wrote:I think he can have one or the other, not both. There are ways to monetise their websites without subscription, but his avarice is clouding his decision.
You're not right there Gavin.

'Monetise' isn't a word - it says 'monetize' in the Oxford English Dictionary. ;)

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 05.31
by marksi
Chie wrote:lol.

http://www.newspapersoc.org.uk/Default.aspx?page=897
British people are among the most avid newspaper readers in the world. 80.4% of all British adults (39.5 million people) read a regional newspaper, compared with 61.0% who read a national newspaper.
You know what this means, don't you..? It means the majority of people read a newspaper :lol:
I've looked at the website you mention and the figures are meaningless as they don't tell me over what period - ie is that 61% of people read a national newspaper each day? Or is is 61% each week? Each quarter? Each year?

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 06.13
by Chie
The combined daily circulation of the national newspapers is 11,034,758 (July 2008).

The regional newspaper circulation is 2,868,544 (June 2008).

So that's just under 14 million people who definitely read a newspaper every day, but they probably share the paper with their partner/spouse, colleagues, leave it on the bus for other people to read, then there's the people who read them at libraries... it all adds up.

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 11.09
by Nick Harvey
Chie wrote:The regional newspaper circulation is 2,868,544 (June 2008).

So that's just under 14 million people who definitely read a newspaper every day.
No.

Most regional newspapers are weekly, not daily, so you can't just add the two figures together.

A rough approximation might be (11,034,758+(2,868,544/7)), but it still wouldn't be all that accurate.

I do hate people who quote statistics as fact, but then mis-match the quotes.

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 11.20
by Chie
If you read the link supplied, Nick, you'll see the figure quoted is for daily circulation.

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 11.22
by Nick Harvey
Chie wrote:If you read the link supplied, Nick, you'll see the figure quoted is for daily circulation.
In which case, with the weeklies excluded, the figures become even more inaccurate.

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 11.33
by Sput
Is the daily circulation figure the number that are printed or the number that are bought from shops?

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 19.46
by Inspector Sands
Sput wrote:Is the daily circulation figure the number that are printed or the number that are bought from shops?
The figures for newspapers (compiled by the ABC: http://www.abc.org.uk ) are done by circulation - i.e. the number of copies that get distributed, including discounted, corporate and voucher purchases which are included in the total but counted seperately. Normal sales are done on a sale or return basis - the newsagents return unsold copies so I assume it's mostly calculated as number prints minus number returned

The figure also include 'Bulk sales which is where they give away or sell for a nominal sum to airlines, hotels or commercial outlets so they can to give them away - http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/9360 ... per-bulks/

Although many of the national papers have pulled out of declaring bulk sales and some have seen substantial decreases in their circulation figures. According to Media Guardian in August, 18% of The Independent's figure are bulks and 12% of The Telegraphs

Re: Murdoch's web policy

Posted: Fri 13 Nov, 2009 20.08
by tillyoshea
Chie wrote:
Gavin Scott wrote:I think he can have one or the other, not both. There are ways to monetise their websites without subscription, but his avarice is clouding his decision.
You're not right there Gavin.

'Monetise' isn't a word - it says 'monetize' in the Oxford English Dictionary. ;)
Actually, it lists both spellings:
Image