Scottish independence

eoin · Mon 22 Oct, 2012 22.26

Nick Harvey wrote:You really ought to put your IRA tendencies aside, eoin. We've had all this from you before and it was boring to the point of suicide last time as well.

You were similarly abusive last time too. I have found your posts amusing in the past, so I'm a bit disappointed to have become a target of them. I'm not sure if they're meant in earnest, in which case you're clearly fucking mental, or if there's some kind of humour intended, in which case I'm not ashamed to admit that I just don't get it. I do find it quite offensive to be accused of membership of a terrorist organisation responsible for the murder of thousands of people.

I think my posts on this topic have been reasonable and well within the bounds of relevance to the Scottish debate. I'm disappointed that you claim to find them dull, but I suspect you just don't really know how to engage with them in a reasoned way.

Alexia · Wed 04 Sep, 2013 18.51

Latest polling : YES 25% (-8), NO 47% (-5), Don’t knows 28% (+13)

wells · Wed 04 Sep, 2013 19.31

Alexia wrote:Latest polling : YES 25% (-8), NO 47% (-5), Don’t knows 28% (+13)

As a neutral so to speak, it's hard to see how the yes campaign have any chance. You've got to assume most of the yes and no voters won't change their mind, and then the 'don't knows' you'd think will probably err on the side of caution or wont be bothered with all the change.

The yes campaign are probably hoping the UK government get into a unpopular war and some strong evidence can be presented to the Scottish people about how they can be financially better off.

Not sure the Commonwealth Games can make that much difference really.

Gavin Scott · Wed 04 Sep, 2013 23.03

Where are you reading those figures?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3071008

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sco ... -panelbase

Disappointingly, I see a shocking media bias in favour of the status quo. There's a lot of vested interests at stake.

The Yes campaign take the view that the best course is to continue to positively state the case and let the media say what it will.

scottishtv · Wed 04 Sep, 2013 23.41

Alexia is quoting TNS BMRB polling published yesterday. There have been a number of poll results released recently:

Sun 1st Sept:
YouGov - Yes 29%, No 59%, Don't know 10%, Not voting 2%. Sample: 1,171.
Commissioned by DevoPlus pro-Union campaign.

Mon 2nd Sept:
Panelbase - Yes 44%, No 43%, Don't know 13%. Sample 1,043.
Commissioned by the SNP.

Tue 3rd Sept:
TNS BMRB - Yes 25%, No 47%, Don't know 28%. Sample 1,017.
TNS survey for their Scottish Opinion Monitor for all media use.

Gavin Scott · Thu 05 Sep, 2013 00.12

The disparity in those numbers is predictably massive. The don't knows in the third poll is the one to watch.

cdd · Thu 05 Sep, 2013 11.40

Gavin Scott wrote:The Yes campaign take the view that the best course is to continue to positively state the case and let the media say what it will.

Because that worked so well for the Yes To AV campaign...

"Yes" campaigns have both the onus to make the case for change (which I think is a bit shit - the status quo is meaningless) and the task of fighting the media slurs the other side is coming out with. And if the economy continues to do well when the referendum happens, I don't think "Yes" stands a chance.

I'm not in favour of it for other reasons, but it annoys me that I think it'll go the same way as the AV thing.

Pete · Thu 05 Sep, 2013 13.33

One thing i have noticed is the SNP have a habit of asking loaded questions which somewhat undermines legitimate arguments for them.

For example I received a leaflet recently regarding the bedroom tax that contained the following...

scottishtv · Thu 05 Sep, 2013 15.38

Those nasty monsters in the South East of England really are out to get us, between the Westminster Tories and horrible London Labour.

Of course, the SNP itself could be described as a Westminster party with elected representatives sitting there... but better not let that get in the way of positive campaigning.

barcode · Thu 05 Sep, 2013 15.53

If the YES vote wins, it will because of fear and stupidity, since no decent amount of explanation has been done by either side of the campaign.

Thus
* Vote yes to get away for the Tories forever.
* Voting for the unknown is better than having another Tory government

People at the YES table which are appearing all over the places are saying this stuff.....

If people vote yes I want that to happen because we have been well informed and decided for each of ourselves its the best option in the current and future situation.

Gavin Scott · Thu 05 Sep, 2013 21.19

barcode wrote:If the YES vote wins, it will because of fear and stupidity, since no decent amount of explanation has been done by either side of the campaign.

Seriously? The man who scans vintage Radio Times from three decades ago to see if That's My Dog was played on Thursday lunchtimes in the TSW region can't find explanations?

Do some more useful research.

http://www.yesscotland.net/undecided_responses