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Sput wrote:Good articulate response there.

I was going to say something but realised it would come across a bit 'Tumble Tower', so I thought better of it.

Thank you for using the rolling eyes smiley sparingly Chie, it has not become clichéd.

Chie wrote:

Sput wrote:Good articulate response there.

I was going to say something but realised it would come across a bit 'Tumble Tower'

A bit tedious? Mission accomplished either way.

Almost makes you pine for Stu's witty repartee.. almost. Got something to chew on at least and no fuckin' emoticons communicating for him.

Hymagumba wrote:

timgraham wrote:The way it manages sites and FTP though is a pain, and I haven't had much luck finding a freeware replacement that I really like.

in what way? I find the ability to save and have it uploaded quite nice.

It's useful but not perfect, I never quite mastered it and a lot if it could be down to the fact that either Dreamweaver, my computer, or my internet connection is sluggish with uploading.

Nini wrote:Almost makes you pine for Stu's witty repartee.. almost. Got something to chew on at least and no fuckin' emoticons communicating for him.

Stu? No emotions communicating?

Maybe this will remind you: ""

cdd wrote:Stu? No emotions communicating?

Maybe this will remind you: ""

Emoticons, not emotions (he's full of them) and he hasn't used them overly for effect so you're wrong, cdd.

Have to say that I haven't found a WYSIWYG editor I like yet, they all do things that require manual fixing, so I find it much easier to do it from scratch in the first place. That said it's rare I would (through choice) produce a static website, I almost always do something that requires a bit of PHP and a database, so coding it by hand is the natural way for me.

If FP works for you then fair enough, but I'm reminded of (and fully endorse) the FAQ of alt.www.webmaster

"What's the best way to use Frontpage?" - 'Start > Settings > Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs > Microsoft FrontPage > Add/Remove > Yes'

Steve in Pudsey wrote:Have to say that I haven't found a WYSIWYG editor I like yet, they all do things that require manual fixing, so I find it much easier to do it from scratch in the first place. That said it's rare I would (through choice) produce a static website, I almost always do something that requires a bit of PHP and a database, so coding it by hand is the natural way for me.

its nice to have the talent to do that - I can just about manage using FP and know what to look out for and how to correct it - as for php - again I have no idea how to do this myself but am able to modify other code to a certain extent to get what I want.

By the way I think I shall point out at this point that I am a serious tables-for-layout afficianado.

I cannot stand the confusing hassle of CSS page layout to no better effect than to appease the standards Nazis, and if you know how to use them tables are extremely powerful. CSS takes about five times longer to code, is less scaleable for changing pages, uses counter-intuitive strategies such as having huge marins to account for borders and is a pain if you want to do relative position, and has compatibility problems across browsers.

That's no to say I don't believe in CSS; I think style sheets are a great way to impose a uniform set of fonts etc. across web sites - I agree that things like <center> and <font> should die. However the PHPBB3 template where the "Never Use Tables" approch is taken to such an extreme that every column and row in the topic list is an abstracted list item - despite a list of topics and attributes being the PERFECT reason for tabular data - really drives me insane.

That is all.

Incidentally, my excuse for the above post is that I have seen a worrying rise in people trying to usurp my position as Head of Wrong.

Not that I don't believe a word of what I said above. I am 100% serious.