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You're forgetting an important fact: Antarctica is a continent, not icebergs. That means it's rock with ice on top rather that floating in the sea.

barcode wrote:90% of all ice burghs are under the under, water become ice it expands:
when Ice melt it take up less room so It should in fact make sea level go down

We are not discussing icebergs though, we are discussing the ice which is currently on land masses close to the north pole and covering Antarctica.

When they melt they will not remain as 1 mile high bits of fluid, they run off into the sea.

Damn! Herr Sput beat me to it!

Anyway, it's spelled Ice DE Burgh

nodnirG kraM wrote:We've just invested in a very nice rack of Sunstars - flicker/green-free and dimmable without altering colour-temperature, whilst using a fraction of the energy consumed by the tungstens. Fluroescent bubbles have certainly come on in leaps and bounds recently.

Fluorescent luminaires as well as the lamps (or "bubbles" if you are a lampy, techhead or luvvie) have been dramatically improved. High frequency ballasts, which used to be the size of an apple crate, are now small and lightweight so can be built into the smallest of heads. The advantage is flicker free operation, even diffused light and almost 0-100% dimability. Fluo's also maintain their colour temperature more than dimmed tungsten or quartzline lamps do, as you correctly pointed out, Mark.

Nick - you are correct. The in-rush current used to fire up a fluorescent lamp is many, many times higher than that consumed during normal operation. However, in a 7,9 or 11w domestic fitting the actual power draw is still negligible compared with that of a tungsten/tungsten halogen equivalent. Larger fittings with a couple of 48w lamps shouldn't be switched off and on on the pretext of saving money/energy, as it will be a counter-productive measure.

I tried telling them in a large office I once worked in. All fluorescent lighting was controlled from PIR sensors. On the odd Saturday I worked overtime, corridors and departments would light up around me as I walked to and from the vending machines or WC. They would switch off after 10 minutes of no movement then all fire up again as someone else would walk past. Terrible waste of energy. No one from "premises" seemed the slightest bit interested.

I would heartily endorse CFL (compact fluorescent) household lamps. I use the "Megaman" range of palm-lights and GU10 reflector lamps in the house. They've managed to resolve the slow start you normally get from fluorescent fittings by starting instantly on a low level then quickly coming to full power. I also use a clutch of LED fittings for colour washing the walls

Never mind your carbon footprint - they really are just better value.

Sput wrote:Anyway, it's spelled Ice DE Burgh

Lady In red.......

I was talking about north pole, greenland and iceland

barcode wrote:

Sput wrote:Anyway, it's spelled Ice DE Burgh

Lady In red.......

I was talking about north pole, greenland and iceland

Obviously iceland and green land are made of rock so it's the same thing. Antarctica's the one to watch as there's considerably more ice there than there is in the north pole. I think it's 20/80 or something like that. I hope you're not suggesting that people with PhD's didn't think about Newton's laws?

Sput wrote:I hope you're not suggesting that people with PhD's didn't think about Newton's laws?

Far too complex.

He's just suggesting he didn't think...

Sput wrote:

barcode wrote:

Sput wrote:Anyway, it's spelled Ice DE Burgh

Lady In red.......

I was talking about north pole, greenland and iceland

Obviously iceland and green land are made of rock so it's the same thing. Antarctica's the one to watch as there's considerably more ice there than there is in the north pole. I think it's 20/80 or something like that. I hope you're not suggesting that people with PhD's didn't think about Newton's laws?

Its was my Geography teachers said;

The Staffordshire Moorlands council, where I live, has had the foresight of providing the proper tools needed to recycle properly - we have three colour coded wheelie bins - one for general waste, one for glass and plastic, and another for organic waste and cardboard. It works pretty well, although there was a lot of confusion and fuss when the system was first introduced.

I do recycle a bit and i have a couple of energy saving lightbulbs and i do like to use the farmers markets nor do i fly to exotic locations several times a year. This offsets the emissions i pump into the air from the 2 jags Hellfire HQ runs, leaving the tvs on standby, having the central heating on high for hours and hours and running about 3 baths a day.
So i'd say i'm not very carbon neutral really.

miss hellfire wrote:I do recycle a bit and i have a couple of energy saving lightbulbs

I was reluctant to change to "energy saving lightbulbs" when they were costing £3 each. But when I found that Tesco were selling them for 89p I bought loads.

The house is now full of them, apart from my beside lamp, which I inherited from my Mum and looks stupid with a modern bulb. It's on for about half an hour each day. The TV gets switched off in the front room only because it switches on for 10 seconds on Freeview Channel 80 at 3am everyday full volume(and I have no idea why).

Low energy consumption is one thing, but carbon-dioxide emission I remain sceptical about - the difference I can make is negligable when the oceans pump out more CO2 in a day than the human race can create in a year through energy production. :roll:

I do my bit - but I am a fundamental non-believer.