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Alexia wrote:back on topic slightly - who prefers their constituent Nation flag over the combined mish-mash that is the union flag?

I have a St Piran's Cross and a Ddraig Goch hanging from my window. No sign of a Union flag anywhere.

Oh yeah of course the Welsh Flag is so much better than some other boring ones. The union flag is okay, but it really peeves me when people display the UK flag to display something English, or generalise and just forget about the constituent nations. However I do support the Union as opposed to nationalism (in Wales that is).

Marbles333 - your avatar pose seems to show you struggling to defeacate into a hole in the ground.

Surely this isn't the most flattering picture you could place here - or is constipation a condition of some awful illness or activity?

Just wondering

StuartPlymouth wrote:Marbles333 - your avatar pose seems to show you struggling to defeacate into a hole in the ground.

Surely this isn't the most flattering picture you could place here - or is constipation a condition of some awful illness or activity?

Just wondering

Well at least it isn't one of my "risqué" poses as I have been described as before

I'm not here to impress anybody... I can't do that at the best of times!

marbles333 wrote:Well at least it isn't one of my "risqué" poses as I have been described as before
I'm not here to impress anybody... I can't do that at the best of times!

Stick with the "risque" then, probably more interesting

marbles333 wrote:The union flag is okay, but it really peeves me when people display the UK flag to display something English, or generalise and just forget about the constituent nations. However I do support the Union as opposed to nationalism (in Wales that is).

See...there's the problem...right there. Just because I display the Welsh flag and NOT the Union Flag I'm a nationalist? (this isnt directed at you Marbles, this is a common misconception amongst unionists)

Well, actually I'm anti-unionist...if there is such a thing - I dont support the UNITED KINGDOM because I have as much in common with those unelected anglo-saxon dIvine-right spongers as I do with a termite with trenchfoot.

I do however believe in a Great Britain - that is, that we are all on one Island which we must share with each other. Geographically, I am British. Politically, I am Welsh.

The Union Flag is a political flag as it symbolises the amalgamation of kingdoms under one government. One could argue the Welsh flag, being as it is the battle standard of Henry Tudor VII, is just as politically charged. However, it has come to symbolise the nationhood of Wales and the people of Wales, rather than the political movements and changes our lovely little land has seen. If it was, then we would have the Owain Glyndwr standard as opposed to the European-style Ddraig Goch.

If anything, I'm happy there is no representation of Wales on the Union Flag. It peversely switches a negative into a positive by demonstrating a kind of difference, of uniqueness, of individualism.

Officially of course we ARE represented by the red cross of England, but any self-respecting Welshman would never allow him or herself to be represented by that symbol. One analysis I read was that it symbolised pure blood spilt on white virgin skin. Whether this sickly description is true, or whether it was just who got what uniforms when the Europeans were invading the Holy Land 800 years before the bastard son of the Crusades, Israel, was born, remains to be discovered.

Further Reading:
http://www.famouswelsh.com/13_Articles/ ... Wales.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_wales
http://www.fotw.net/flags/gb-wales.html

Alexia wrote:

marbles333 wrote:The union flag is okay, but it really peeves me when people display the UK flag to display something English, or generalise and just forget about the constituent nations. However I do support the Union as opposed to nationalism (in Wales that is).

See...there's the problem...right there. Just because I display the Welsh flag and NOT the Union Flag I'm a nationalist? (this isnt directed at you Marbles, this is a common misconception amongst unionists)

I'm no flag flyer for any nation, and I don't believe flying a flag of your contituent country no way makes you a nationalist! Of course we've got items with Ddraig Goch on (including a flag stuffed in a cupboard somewhere), but it doesn't make you a nationalist. Even though I prefer a union to an independent Wales it doesn't mean I go flying the Union Jack up and down everywhere. Infact I don't think I even posess a Union flag.

As for the English flag... Never in a thousand years!!

Interesting views from many here, but have you considered what our national (UK) flag may have looked like if Wales had been incorporated in the 14thC (before Henry Tudor's adoption of his battle flag). Here are my little presumptions:

Possible English/Cymru Flag:




Alternative English/Cymru Flag: (looks very Germanic, c1920-30)



After Scottish "Great Britian" Union:



After Ireland was added to UK of GB & Ireland:

There's another problem.....if Ireland as a whole is no-longer in the Union, why hasn't the St Patrick's cross left the Union Flag? NI is not represented by a red-on-white Saltire.

Another problem with having the St Davids cross behind the St Georges cross is that it I believe the colour combination (i.e. adjacent colours) is inadmissable in vexillology. I will check this up.

Am i allowed to be English with a bit of welsh Dragon and a dash of of Russian and a sprinkle of Irish and a splash of scot.
Not forgetting the Aussie in my family.

What would that flag look like i wander.


I'm a genetic outcast! I can live with it.

marbles333 wrote:

Alexia wrote:

marbles333 wrote:The union flag is okay, but it really peeves me when people display the UK flag to display something English, or generalise and just forget about the constituent nations. However I do support the Union as opposed to nationalism (in Wales that is).

See...there's the problem...right there. Just because I display the Welsh flag and NOT the Union Flag I'm a nationalist? (this isnt directed at you Marbles, this is a common misconception amongst unionists)

I'm no flag flyer for any nation, and I don't believe flying a flag of your contituent country no way makes you a nationalist! Of course we've got items with Ddraig Goch on (including a flag stuffed in a cupboard somewhere), but it doesn't make you a nationalist. Even though I prefer a union to an independent Wales it doesn't mean I go flying the Union Jack up and down everywhere. Infact I don't think I even posess a Union flag.

As for the English flag... Never in a thousand years!!

Not all of Wales is Welsh. My neck of the woods has gone to enormous lengths over the centuries to eradicate any hint of Welshness. The local accent is more Somerset/Devon than Welsh and even the landscape is large fields, tall churches and quaint country villages. You could easily think you were living in deepest Oxfordshire and not the southwestern tip of Wales. The only obvious indication that you are in fact in Wales is that the road signs are all bilingual - with the Welsh at the top! Bilingualism is intensely disliked in this part of the principality.

Not all of Wales is Welsh.

Correction. The territory of Wales is Welsh by default. What you meant to say I'm sure is that not all the people who reside in Wales identify with the language of the country they live in.

Their resentment of bilingualism however is based on their own aloofness. It's the same with any English expatriates. Most choose to simply speak English and expect to have English spoken to them. Admittedly Pembroke isn't the Costa Brava or Benidorm, but still, the logic still applies.