The London Underground Thread

[BBC LDN]

Does anyone know if this is more than a prototype - are these going to be rolled across the fleet?

IIRC There's only 1 of them on the District Line, and there is only 1 carriage of them...the adjacent carriages have the same colour scheme (Circle-Line-esque) but old interior, and all the others in that train are the old carriage and interior.

As you can see from this image:

there is more than one upgraded carriage, and indeed what you can't see from that image is that the full length of this train has been refurbished to the new specifications. The train - seen at Richmond in the image above - has now entered service on the High Street Kensington branch, I believe.

This refurbished train represents the new standard for the D-stock before these trains are finally replaced with new trains around 2009-10, and these refurbished trains will continue to be introduced over the next 18 months. Around the same time that the new District fleet is introduced, the Circle Line is intended to be split into two distinct segments with termini (rather than the current "neverending loop" services in opposite directions).

Hyma - keep scoffing those jammy dodgers.

[Aston]

Does anyone know if this is more than a prototype - are these going to be rolled across the fleet?

IIRC There's only 1 of them on the District Line, and there is only 1 carriage of them...the adjacent carriages have the same colour scheme (Circle-Line-esque) but old interior, and all the others in that train are the old carriage and interior.

Aha - glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that either! Yes, that's correct, that particular train has 3 carriages with the new livery and one carriage with the new interior. Another difference is the windows between compartments...

I've seen it on the Ealing Broadway branch, so I guess LDN, you wouldn't have seen it on the Richmond branch?

[BBC LDN]

Does anyone know if this is more than a prototype - are these going to be rolled across the fleet?

IIRC There's only 1 of them on the District Line, and there is only 1 carriage of them...the adjacent carriages have the same colour scheme (Circle-Line-esque) but old interior, and all the others in that train are the old carriage and interior.

Aha - glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that either! Yes, that's correct, that particular train has 3 carriages with the new livery and one carriage with the new interior. Another difference is the windows between compartments...

I've seen it on the Ealing Broadway branch, so I guess LDN, you wouldn't have seen it on the Richmond branch?

See above post.

As I mentioned, there is one full train that has been completely refurbished to the new standard, not just one, two or three carriages. Perhaps there are additional carriages that are occasionally attached to existing D-stock trains, but as you can see from these pictures, the full length of the train is in the new livery, and I can assure you that each carriage's interior has also been refurbished:



As I also pointed out in an earlier post, the train ran to Richmond on a testing "dry run" and both of the images I have posted have been taken at Richmond Station; you can see the South West Trains-style platform signs in the images. Notice also in the second of the two images, pictured at Earl's Court, that the train says "Richmond" on the front. I'm not really sure how much more proof I can provide that a) the whole train has been refurbished, and b) that the train was pictured in Richmond.

It would also be nice if people actually read my posts to save me repeating the same information.

[Aston]

LDN, I didn't say I doubted what you previously said (which I DID read). I was pointing out the train that I'd seen and never discredited your post.

Obviously the train you have seen is on the Richmound branch (as I previously said) - I don't go on that part of the Disctrict line so I haven't seen it.

[Corin]

finally sees the exterior painted in LUL's standard blue, white and red livery

Were they inspired by the standard livery of NMBS (SNCB)?

[Johnny]

Right as someone who uses the London Underground 7 days a week I feel I should clear up a few point here.

* That is indeed a re-furbished “D Stock” train however that is the original prototype from around 2000-2001. The image at the bottom of this post is what they look like now.

* There are absolutely are NO trains on the network with the orange/black/yellow/pink seating this was last around on the Piccadilly line back in around 2002. The un-refurbished “D Stock” carriages that are still around have the seating show in the above “prototype”.

* The unpainted livery was decided on back in 1961/2 when the Metropolitan (A Stock) were delivered unpainted. When brand new they looked good but as soon as graffiti hit them they looked shoddy so they reverted to the current livery in about 1989 as a test pattern on a couple of the Bakerloo Line trains (although apparently there were two other liveries). However it weren’t until the new Central line trains came out back in 1992 that a complete fleet had them all. Although the Waterloo & City line still has Network South East Livery

* The buttons on the District, Central/Waterloo & City and Jubilee/Northern line trains were and idea bought about in the 1980’s but yobbos kept shutting doors on passengers who ended up running into the doors so they have decided to remove these off of all refurbishments in future.

I have only found out a lot of this info like Aston said, looking on the web.



Refurbed & Unrefurbed



Down the carriage with new seat covers



Close up of new seating covers

[BBC LDN]

Right as someone who uses the London Underground 7 days a week I feel I should clear up a few point here.

* That is indeed a re-furbished “D Stock” train however that is the original prototype from around 2000-2001. The image at the bottom of this post is what they look like now.

* There are absolutely are NO trains on the network with the orange/black/yellow/pink seating this was last around on the Piccadilly line back in around 2002. The un-refurbished “D Stock” carriages that are still around have the seating show in the above “prototype”.

I have only found out a lot of this info like Aston said, looking on the web.



Refurbed & Unrefurbed



Down the carriage with new seat covers



Close up of new seating covers

Just to clarify one or two things here: you're quite right that the final interior refurbishment has different upholstery - and indeed here's another image of that ghastly green fabric for good measure:



However, the current District Line fleet has the upholstery featured on the original prototype, and shown in Aston's picture above; if it's not identical, it's extremely similar to the current District fleet.

No Piccadilly Line train that I've ever taken ever had that seat covering. I used to live near Hounslow and used to take the Piccadilly Line several times a week, so unless I've blocked that out of my memory, that upholstery was never a feature of Piccadilly Line trains.

Finally, the image you have posted to show what the refurbished trains supposedly look like now is exactly the same train as I showed in the images in my previous posts, shown at Richmond Station on the same day. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove there.

[Johnny]

Right as someone who uses the London Underground 7 days a week I feel I should clear up a few point here.

* That is indeed a re-furbished “D Stock” train however that is the original prototype from around 2000-2001. The image at the bottom of this post is what they look like now.

* There are absolutely are NO trains on the network with the orange/black/yellow/pink seating this was last around on the Piccadilly line back in around 2002. The un-refurbished “D Stock” carriages that are still around have the seating show in the above “prototype”.

I have only found out a lot of this info like Aston said, looking on the web.



Refurbed & Unrefurbed



Down the carriage with new seat covers



Close up of new seating covers

Just to clarify one or two things here: you're quite right that the final interior refurbishment has different upholstery - and indeed here's another image of that ghastly green fabric for good measure:



However, the current District Line fleet has the upholstery featured on the original prototype, and shown in Aston's picture above; if it's not identical, it's extremely similar to the current District fleet.

No Piccadilly Line train that I've ever taken ever had that seat covering. I used to live near Hounslow and used to take the Piccadilly Line several times a week, so unless I've blocked that out of my memory, that upholstery was never a feature of Piccadilly Line trains.

Finally, the image you have posted to show what the refurbished trains supposedly look like now is exactly the same train as I showed in the images in my previous posts, shown at Richmond Station on the same day. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove there.

Sorry I put that one up to show the diffrence between the post & pre refurbed trains. Sorry if it is the same image that you have put up yourself but it didn't come up on my very slow broadband when I was looking before I posted.

Of course I know the current District has the same upholstry as Astons picture I used the District quite a bit. I do personally prefer the blue/green seating. In the image I posted above it STILL has the original windows although I understand these have now been replaced

[Aston]

Finally, the image you have posted to show what the refurbished trains supposedly look like now is exactly the same train as I showed in the images in my previous posts, shown at Richmond Station on the same day. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove there.

LDN, just because a picture posted is of something you've already demonstrated, it doesn't mean that Johnny is trying to prove anything.

Good grief, you're constantly challenging people for no reason at all!

[BBC LDN]

Finally, the image you have posted to show what the refurbished trains supposedly look like now is exactly the same train as I showed in the images in my previous posts, shown at Richmond Station on the same day. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove there.

LDN, just because a picture posted is of something you've already demonstrated, it doesn't mean that Johnny is trying to prove anything.

Good grief, you're constantly challenging people for no reason at all!

Let's recap:

* That is indeed a re-furbished “D Stock” train however that is the original prototype from around 2000-2001. The image at the bottom of this post is what they look like now.

So he was saying that the image I posted was the 2000/2001 prototype, and that the picture he showed was in fact of the current refurbished train. However, the two images showed the same train on the same day; the two trains weren't different at all. I don't the problem with highlighting this error. Honestly dear, if you get your tits in a twist this easily, perhaps it would be best for your fragile state of mind if you were to go and play here instead.

Besides, Johnny's a big boy - or so the sailors tell me - and I'm sure he can stick up for himself without you shaking your handbag at me.

[Aston]

Finally, the image you have posted to show what the refurbished trains supposedly look like now is exactly the same train as I showed in the images in my previous posts, shown at Richmond Station on the same day. Not quite sure what you're trying to prove there.

LDN, just because a picture posted is of something you've already demonstrated, it doesn't mean that Johnny is trying to prove anything.

Good grief, you're constantly challenging people for no reason at all!

Let's recap:

* That is indeed a re-furbished “D Stock” train however that is the original prototype from around 2000-2001. The image at the bottom of this post is what they look like now.

So he was saying that the image I posted was the 2000/2001 prototype, and that the picture he showed was in fact of the current refurbished train. However, the two images showed the same train on the same day; the two trains weren't different at all. I don't the problem with highlighting this error. Honestly dear, if you get your tits in a twist this easily, perhaps it would be best for your fragile state of mind if you were to go and play here instead.

Besides, Johnny's a big boy - or so the sailors tell me - and I'm sure he can stick up for himself without you shaking your handbag at me.

Seriously dude, take a chill pill! What does it actually matter - it's just a chat about trains (ok, yes - I admit, slightly geeky), no need to create WW III...