Pope-ing his clogs

[marksi]

So do you also condemn sex between infertile couples? Or women who've passed the menopause?

But that's an example of people who can't have children as opposed to those who deliberately want to prevent conception!

That'd make it ok for gay people to have sex then.

[marksi]

Marsi- Half-baked solutions? You say yourself that that condoms "almsot certainly" would prevent the spread. I for one wouldn't want to throw my weight behind one single (failing) programme ie. the distribution of condoms knowing it wasn't 100% effective. The Bush Administration sees the point and cancelled the US' contribution to this scheme when the President was elected.

Ah well if George Bush says it's right then I certainly believe it. Weapon of mass destruction anyone?

Anyway, you're missing my point. Condoms are not 100% effective. They are, however, more effective than telling people not to have sex - or do you disagree?

[Pete]

So do you also condemn sex between infertile couples? Or women who've passed the menopause?

But that's an example of people who can't have children as opposed to those who deliberately want to prevent conception!

How are gay couples "deliberately preventing" conception? Is it like saying "I don't believe in fairies" where every time a gay couple have sex it kills a baby?

I'm sure many gay couples would love it if their sex could make a baby.

[Nick Harvey]

I'm sure many gay couples would love it if their sex could make a baby.

I'm sure many hetrosexual couples where the bloke's had medical treatment, a side effect of which is to render him infertile, would very much wish the same. However, this Cregg bloke is saying that our example male isn't even allowed a bonk with his wife any more.

Cregg appears to be talking out of a part of his anatomy which he might have more fun with if he was gay.

[CJ-Cregg]

Homosexual sex is specifically condemmed by Sacred Scripture. The Church, basing all of Her teaching on Sacred Tradition (which gives rise to Scripture) cannot condon homosexual activity.


I think too it wise at this point to note that on the death of His Holiness John Paul II, the Sacred College of Cardinals will gather to elect a new Pope, who will defend Catholic doctrine- including the parts some of you can't seem to reconcile with your limited understanding of what's right and wrong. He'll continue to do that just like every Pope has over 2000 years. When put like that, you can't help but be amazed that the Catholic Church is the oldest insitution in the world- and with almost 1 billion members! And some of you think it's out of touch! What a joke!

[Pete]

Actually I'm going to be the next pope

[tillyoshea]

When put like that, you can't help but be amazed that the Catholic Church is the oldest insitution in the world

Surely Judaism predates Catholicism?

[marksi]

Homosexual sex is specifically condemmed by Sacred Scripture. The Church, basing all of Her teaching on Sacred Tradition (which gives rise to Scripture) cannot condon homosexual activity.

You don't think that persecution then? Why's it wrong? What harm's it doing? Have you tried it? You should. It's great.

By the way you haven't answered the question I asked - do you believe that condoms would be more effective at stopping transmission of HIV than telling people not to have sex?

[Marcus]

Homosexual sex is specifically condemmed by Sacred Scripture. The Church, basing all of Her teaching on Sacred Tradition (which gives rise to Scripture) cannot condon homosexual activity.


I think too it wise at this point to note that on the death of His Holiness John Paul II, the Sacred College of Cardinals will gather to elect a new Pope, who will defend Catholic doctrine- including the parts some of you can't seem to reconcile with your limited understanding of what's right and wrong. He'll continue to do that just like every Pope has over 2000 years. When put like that, you can't help but be amazed that the Catholic Church is the oldest institution in the world- and with almost 1 billion members! And some of you think it's out of touch! What a joke!

Yes Homosexual activity is mentioned in the scriptures. It's next to the bit about how disobedient children should be stoned to death. I presume you also support that, or do you pick and chose the bits of the bible you support.

Of course Jesus made no mention of Homosexuality in the New Testament, although he was quite strident about telling women to keep their place. John Paul II had a view. He said it was quite all right to discriminate against homosexuals.

The Catholic Church is all about power and money. That's why it condemns birth control, the more children the more souls for the church, no matter how miserable and hungry they are. That's why it feels it has to defend its paedophile priests. Doesn't matter that children are suffering as long as we keep the collections rolling in. When it comes to the deep moral issues of our time, like the holocaust, it meekly stands aside and rakes in the money.

Its attitude on Aids is evil. The amount of misery and suffering it causes is immense.

And I hate to disillusion you CJ, but when the Pope finally dies, there will be a made scramble of electioneering and power deals, all behind closed doors, to elect the next one.

A nasty nasty organisation.

[Gavin Scott]

Homosexual sex is specifically condemmed by Sacred Scripture. The Church, basing all of Her teaching on Sacred Tradition (which gives rise to Scripture) cannot condon homosexual activity.

The notion that homosexuality is a choice is wrong. I am gay. I was born that way. I did not choose. I am a child of God, am I not? Teachings based on erroneous outdated suppositions do nothing to help anyone.

I think too it wise at this point to note that on the death of His Holiness John Paul II, the Sacred College of Cardinals will gather to elect a new Pope, who will defend Catholic doctrine- including the parts some of you can't seem to reconcile with your limited understanding of what's right and wrong.

How dare you suggest that this board's membership have a "limited understanding of right and wrong" simply because we choose not to accept your doctrine. It is an arrogant and offensive comment to make. Man of the cloth, indeed.

When put like that, you can't help but be amazed that the Catholic Church is the oldest insitution in the world- and with almost 1 billion members! And some of you think it's out of touch! What a joke!

Well looking at the chequered history of greed, abuse and the misappropriation of power I *am* amazed the Catholic Church has lasted this long.

[CJ-Cregg]

The Church's teaching on homosexuality is based on the dignity of Man. The Church does not discriminate against homosexuals, it deplores any unjust discrimination against them.
As for having sex. Why are you placing so much emphasis on sex? Do we all have a right to have sex whenever we want, wherever we want, with whomever we want? Is the government 'evil' for not allowing 16 year olds to have sex? What about people in incestuous relationships- is that OK?
Not everyone is meant to have sex, is what the Church says. It’s a gift. The Church has a duty to inform people about the Faith of the Church, as Christ Himself taught, not what the faith is according to popular opinion, which changes over time and is dependent on many factors. The Catholic Faith remains true yesterday, today, forever. To reject it is your choice, but I repeat, just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t make it wrong.

Yes Homosexual activity is mentioned in the scriptures. It's next to the bit about how disobedient children should be stoned to death. I presume you also support that, or do you pick and chose the bits of the bible you support.

Of course Jesus made no mention of Homosexuality in the New Testament, although he was quite strident about telling women to keep their place.

As I said before, the Church bases her teaching on Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition was transmitted through the Apostles and members of the Church until Scriptures were compiled (by the Church). She decides how to interpret Scripture in light of Tradition. That way nobody makes mistakes, like stoning children to death.