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Dr Lobster* wrote: Sun 07 Jul, 2024 19.08 I am across this in my YouTube feed



Old enough to remember a few of them. Quite interesting to see how these shows have evolved over the years

Nice to see some ITN election footage on YT. There isn't very much there.

The SNP collapse was much bigger than I expected, even Dundee moved from a 12,000 safe seat to a 645 marginal.

What I find odd is the suggestion that reform's vote share is somehow surprising. It's the same UKIP got in 2015 when they came second in several places, before said vote being reabsorbed into the Tory fold, before reappearing this year.

If anything all it shows if they've been more efficient with the 5 seats they won, something they're complaining that Labour did with their focus on marginals rather than city centre safe seats.

Pete wrote: Sun 07 Jul, 2024 20.25 The SNP collapse was much bigger than I expected, even Dundee moved from a 12,000 safe seat to a 645 marginal.

That, and the meltdown from their supporters, has been one of the other pleasures of this election. Seen so many of them screaming betrayal and that the people who voted and the MPs hate Scotland (which sounds awfully similar to brexiteers talking about remain supporting voters and MPs).

Funny as well to be told off by one of them on for commenting on and taking pleasure in it "while living in England" (not that they have any problems doing the same for English results) and also for referring to Arbroath and Broughty Ferry as a Dundee constituency (doesn't matter that I spend a lot of time in that very constituency, probably more than they do, and know it well, and it does include around a third of Dundee- not just Broughty Ferry despite the name). Also argued with one English person who gets angry at "other English people telling the Scots what do to", but herself regularly says they should vote SNP and independence (and has the same attitude to NI)... so clearly English people should only keep quiet when the view doesn't match theirs.

The SNP result in the GE really doesn't bode well for the 2026 Scottish Election, could Labour gain power in Scotland after almost 20 years of SNP as the Scottish Government?

Pete wrote: Sun 07 Jul, 2024 20.25 What I find odd is the suggestion that reform's vote share is somehow surprising. It's the same UKIP got in 2015 when they came second in several places, before said vote being reabsorbed into the Tory fold, before reappearing this year.

If anything all it shows if they've been more efficient with the 5 seats they won, something they're complaining that Labour did with their focus on marginals rather than city centre safe seats.

I read somewhere that it's at times when inequality is at its highest that parties on the extremes are most likely to be voted for. This may in part explain why they've done so well this time around, along with explaining votes in other countries.

I think its also fair to say there's been a strong anti-Tory protest vote in both directions, with people determined to punish them for the past decade and get them out of power. Depending on who becomes their new leader and the direction the party goes in I suspect some of those making a protest vote this time may return to supporting them at the next general election.

Finn wrote: Fri 28 Jun, 2024 18.53

scottishtv wrote: Thu 27 Jun, 2024 15.11 Still to receive my postal ballot paper here in Edinburgh, and I'm going away for a week from tomorrow. The council vaguely saying that the papers will be sent out "by the weekend".

Have you got someone you could appoint as your emergency proxy?

https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/voting-by-proxy (scroll down a bit)

Sorry for the late reply. I did look at this but turns out you can't switch to a proxy vote if you've already been issued a postal vote (even if it hasn't arrived). A neighbour told me their postal voting pack didn't arrive until Monday 1st July. In a way, I'm glad I didn't just miss my paper arriving by a couple of hours. Still, it's the first time I've not voted, so will still plan to send a sternly worded letter to my council.

Thankfully the result wasn't that close in my constituency, and I'm not displeased with the outcome.

The collapse of the Tory and SNP vote have really not been surprising, given the turmultuous few years that both parties have had respectively. Not being Scottish, I would be interested to see if Alba played a role in splitting the Nationalist vote, or whether they were a non player in the election.

Alba got less than 12,000 votes and lost all their deposits, the SNP wouldn't have done any differently even if every single Alba vote went to them instead.

If anyone is wonder, here is a map of all the second place winner .

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1810640179041890760

I'm not sure I believe all this stuff about reform putting up fake candiates, not sure even they'd be so stupid considering the consequences. Was ridiculously stupid for them to put up anonymous and hard to trace paper candidates and AI photos considering the scrutiny they were going to be under though.

And with Lee Anderson sadly winning the constituency next to mine, he had two things in his favour- the Farage effect after he stood in Clacton (he wasn't polling well before that), and the egotistical independent candidate (standing for the 4th time) claiming he was the only one who could win, but then ended up coming a distant third (despite having by far the most banners and signs- shows that being loudest doesn't make you the most popular) but getting more votes than Anderson's majority was. Without just one of those he probably wouldn't have won, without both he almost certainly wouldn't.

Also sad because it makes him virtually the only glitch in a sea of red, him and Jenrick being the only non-Labour MPs across the Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and South Yorkshire area.

It wasn't a very surprising result really, as it had been forecast for months anyway - Labour and Lib Dem big winners, Tories and SNP big losers.

The only change was that Farage belatedly turned up. At least we didn't get the full thirteen Reform MPs that the exit poll predicted.

What next for the Tories? Rishi was their most popular leader in years (at least initially in the Covid days). Unfortunately he inherited a Tory government poisoned by the Johnson and Truss regimes. Hard to see anyone in the running that can win them the next election - surely must be another generation before they are back in government.