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I don't like her, I don't dislike her, I actually don't think I know her all that well regarding her past or present. All I do know though is that whatever happened was her fault and don't see why anyone would take pity on her.

nidave wrote:There was a really good interview with Philip Schofield on chris moyles this morning - allowing Philip to give his side of the story. Chris let him speak for a good 10-15 min and took the subject very seriously. I was very impressed.

"Chris Moyles in serious interview shocker"

Don't be shouting that too loud or you could find him presenting Newsnight by the end of next week.

Nini wrote:All I do know though is that whatever happened was her fault and don't see why anyone would take pity on her.

I don't think this is a blame game, Nini. She's embarrassed herself, that's all.

The public at large are only too happy to watch excruciating telly moments, and "celebs" self-destruct, and the media are only too happy to analyse every aspect of it with furrowed-brows and concern all round.

She got fucked up and didn't hold it together on a TV interview. Its no big shakes, really.

But as a side issue - there's nothing wrong with having a touch of empathy here and there, Nini. It won't do you any harm, you know.

marksi wrote:Don't be shouting that too loud or you could find him presenting Newsnight by the end of next week.

"And on Newsnight Review, with me Sara Cox..."

Be a bit of a change from Paxo at any rate...

Gavin Scott wrote:I don't think this is a blame game, Nini. She's embarrassed herself, that's all.

The public at large are only too happy to watch excruciating telly moments, and "celebs" self-destruct, and the media are only too happy to analyse every aspect of it with furrowed-brows and concern all round.

She got fucked up and didn't hold it together on a TV interview. Its no big shakes, really.

That's true but the rubbernecking is good for papers and magazines, right? Nobody else seems to benefit, nobody else seems to lose from it so why all the "ooh, leave her alone"? She's in the public eye, 'tis not what she signed up for but is part of the deal.

Gavin Scott wrote:But as a side issue - there's nothing wrong with having a touch of empathy here and there, Nini. It won't do you any harm, you know.

It's not what my doctor told me. Empathy's all well and good when I care about something, I'd like to fake empathy for the places it should be but I don't think my conscience (and my doctor) could live with that.

Was going to put this into the Digital Spy thread but thought it would work better here.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/show ... p?t=919035

Nini wrote:

Gavin Scott wrote:I don't think this is a blame game, Nini. She's embarrassed herself, that's all.

The public at large are only too happy to watch excruciating telly moments, and "celebs" self-destruct, and the media are only too happy to analyse every aspect of it with furrowed-brows and concern all round.

She got fucked up and didn't hold it together on a TV interview. Its no big shakes, really.

That's true but the rubbernecking is good for papers and magazines, right? Nobody else seems to benefit, nobody else seems to lose from it so why all the "ooh, leave her alone"? She's in the public eye, 'tis not what she signed up for but is part of the deal.

Whoah there - I never said "leave her alone" nor did I suggest its wrong to watch her make a surgically lifted tit of herself.

What I said was stop calling it a "health crisis" and assuming she needs "rest and recuperation". If anything she needs to sober up - but that's a judgement call for her and her alone. She wants the money so she'll do the appearances - drunk, sober or otherwise.

I'm saying she's a big girl and she can make her choices. Clearly we're not on opposing sides on this issue - but I'm not sure you picked that up from my earlier post.

I possibly didn't express my second point very clearly either. What I meant to say was if you don't care, fine. But you say you don't care and then say "whatever happens its her own fault". Probably true, but it sounds a teeny bit harsh - tipping towards bitter.

And bitter is something you don't want to be though of as.

Gavin Scott wrote:Whoah there - I never said "leave her alone" nor did I suggest its wrong to watch her make a surgically lifted tit of herself.

Nope, I actually don't know what relevance my reply had to what you said after reading it now. I think it had relevance to some of the past posters asking for that, nothing to do with what you said.

Gavin Scott wrote:What I said was stop calling it a "health crisis" and assuming she needs "rest and recuperation". If anything she needs to sober up - but that's a judgement call for her and her alone. She wants the money so she'll do the appearances - drunk, sober or otherwise.

I'm saying she's a big girl and she can make her choices. Clearly we're not on opposing sides on this issue - but I'm not sure you picked that up from my earlier post.

I might have but got distracted in my indignation. You're right that the public or rather the downmarket public love to stare at this stuff just like with the whole Mr Gay Cannibal UK story because it's either so bizarre it needs to be absorbed for all it's oddness or merely there to stand a nice moral compass point from which to look down upon and comment on how at least they're not like him or her and of course encapsulating all of this is the "can you believe...?" element. Fascinating insight into societal mechanisms though this, still not clear why we're discussing it though... oh, discussing other car crash TV we cannot forget, told you about the story leading into the subject of discussion to not overshadow and create odd DS-tinged talk of nothing. So she wasn't the right side of sober, my life will continue even if I didn't know but now it had I feel dirty somehow.

Gavin Scott wrote:I possibly didn't express my second point very clearly either. What I meant to say was if you don't care, fine. But you say you don't care and then say "whatever happens its her own fault". Probably true, but it sounds a teeny bit harsh - tipping towards bitter.

And bitter is something you don't want to be though of as.

I am thought of as bitter (quite proud) but I don't think I am for saying that people's actions are their own to be responsible for in a very general way sense and not directly targeted at this Katona person. I think we're both in the same place with this like you said and this is becoming the second round of the whole obit threads issue again.

I'm sure what I don't know could fill a warehouse - but trust me on the bitter thing.

Very little good comes out of giving that impression to people.