Pope-ing his clogs

[marksi]

This thread is in really bad taste.

I'm catholic, and whilst i don't agree with everything the Church says, a little more respect should be shown to the old guy than what is being show here.


Hyma, you should be ashamed of yourself for making/taking bets on when a fellow HUMAN BEING will pass on. verry disrespectful.

I've asked before, and I'll ask again as no one has given an answer - what "good" things has the man done while being Pope? I genuinely don't know of any good things. I'm not being disrespectful, but all I know about are bad things like his assertions that to use condoms is wrong, which has undoubtedly led to millions of people being exposed to the HIV virus.

And as I said in thread in TV Forum, he's an old man who's been in ill health for a long time. I wouldn't want to be hanging on for years unable to do anything for myself if I was ill in old age. That's nothing to do with his religion, position or anything else.

[Dr Lobster*]

I've asked before, and I'll ask again as no one has given an answer - what "good" things has the man done while being Pope?

i think he's prayed for world piece a couple of times and condemed homosexuality whilst sucking a new born babies scrotum to the tune of the italian national anthem.

[tillyoshea]

I'm not being disrespectful, but all I know about are bad things like his assertions that to use condoms is wrong, which has undoubtedly led to millions of people being exposed to the HIV virus.

Whilst I vehemently disagree with his stance on condom use, I don't think that the deaths of people from HIV in this situation can entirely be blamed on him - Generally, informed individuals have the choice whether or not to do what he recommends.

His <a href=http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0% ... nformation campaign</a>, however, is completely and utterly contemptible.

[Dr Lobster*]

Whilst I vehemently disagree with his stance on condom use, I don't think that the deaths of people from HIV in this situation can entirely be blamed on him - Generally, informed individuals have the choice whether or not to do what he recommends.

the trouble is, religion has a nasty habbit of brainwashing even the most intelligent and reasoned of individuals. i mean, criky, even the archbishop of canterbury is a doctor!

[Cheese Head]

Just like the queen, I can't wait for the pope to die.

Only for the media frenzy afterwards, of course...

[Nick Harvey]

Just like the queen, I can't wait for the pope to die.

How on earth do you know that the Queen wants the Pope to die?

[CJ-Cregg]

The Pope has done so much good in his 26 years as Bishop of Rome. He's worked tirelessly for peace and justice- he was instrumental in the fall of evil communist regimes. He's worked tirelessly for the spread of the Gospel- giving millions of people all over the world the hope of God's promise of a better world. He's a living example of how man should be treated with dignity from his conception to death, opposing the evil slaughter of millions of innocent babies and the proposal we should create laws to legalise the murder of vulnerable old people or those with profound handicaps.

The Church’s teaching on contraception is that it separates the sexual act from procreation. That is why the Holy Father defends the view. The scourge of AIDS and HIV is a terrible, terrible thing, but it quite simply is not going to be eradicated with half-baked solutions like issuing condoms like sweets. It’s the irresponsibility of it that I object to the most. Abstinence must play a role in stopping this disease’s spread.

The Church’s teaching on homosexuals is that unfair treatment of them is deplorable. Sex is primarily for procreation (and a gift from God to married couples). These two elements are not to be separated. Homosexual sex obviously is closed to the gift of life (ie. Children) and cannot be condoned by the Church- who’s duty it is to furnish people like you and I with the Truth as conveyed to us by Christ.

Don’t believe what the Church offers? Your choice. Just don’t knock what you don’t understand.

[tillyoshea]

Sex is primarily for procreation (and a gift from God to married couples). These two elements are not to be separated. Homosexual sex obviously is closed to the gift of life (ie. Children) and cannot be condoned by the Church- who’s duty it is to furnish people like you and I with the Truth as conveyed to us by Christ.

So do you also condemn sex between infertile couples? Or women who've passed the menopause?

[marksi]

CJ Cregg:

The Church’s teaching on contraception is that it separates the sexual act from procreation. That is why the Holy Father defends the view. The scourge of AIDS and HIV is a terrible, terrible thing, but it quite simply is not going to be eradicated with half-baked solutions like issuing condoms like sweets. It’s the irresponsibility of it that I object to the most. Abstinence must play a role in stopping this disease’s spread.

"Irresponsibility" of what? People have sex because it's enjoyable. Well, I do, dunno about you.

What's half baked about the fact that a condom will almost certainly prevent HIV infection between people having sex? Even if condoms only had a 50% rate of effectiveness, don't you think that is better than nothing? Given that contraception only became possible in the last hundred years, who made up this ridiculous rule? I can't imagine condoms are referred to in the Bible.

If you feel that telling people not to have sex is going to solve the problem then you're seriously misguided.

[CJ-Cregg]

Marsi- Half-baked solutions? You say yourself that that condoms "almsot certainly" would prevent the spread. I for one wouldn't want to throw my weight behind one single (failing) programme ie. the distribution of condoms knowing it wasn't 100% effective. The Bush Administration sees the point and cancelled the US' contribution to this scheme when the President was elected.

[CJ-Cregg]

So do you also condemn sex between infertile couples? Or women who've passed the menopause?

But that's an example of people who can't have children as opposed to those who deliberately want to prevent conception!