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Posted: Thu 11 Nov, 2004 08.26
by Johnny
Big Brother wrote:National Express had the last Scotrail franchise and really didn't do a bad job. However First have picked up on something quite big which has improved dramatically lately. Cleanliness.

Trains & Stations along the route are massivly cleaner than they were with the National Express.

Just today actually I spotted something interesting. Before National Expresses Scotrail franchise ended it installed CCTV, Information systems etc on various stations - also improving parking and disabled access.... now amazingly the new FirstScotrail leaflet details that THEY are spending all this money on improving these things even though Scotrail already did it within the last 3 months of it's franchise.

They really should just get more trains firing down the line.
Yes First Group were very good with Cleanliness. National Express ain't. Most GER Trains are full of litter & no members of staff empty the on train bins. First Group did.

Posted: Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12.54
by jay
Johnny wrote:
Big Brother wrote:National Express had the last Scotrail franchise and really didn't do a bad job. However First have picked up on something quite big which has improved dramatically lately. Cleanliness.

Trains & Stations along the route are massivly cleaner than they were with the National Express.

Just today actually I spotted something interesting. Before National Expresses Scotrail franchise ended it installed CCTV, Information systems etc on various stations - also improving parking and disabled access.... now amazingly the new FirstScotrail leaflet details that THEY are spending all this money on improving these things even though Scotrail already did it within the last 3 months of it's franchise.

They really should just get more trains firing down the line.
Yes First Group were very good with Cleanliness. National Express ain't. Most GER Trains are full of litter & no members of staff empty the on train bins. First Group did.
Well Midland Mainline is part of National Express - and their trains are spotless! In fact when I travelled to London last week, I was really impressed by their trains. It had plug sockets at every seat for a laptop/mobile phone, it had little screens above every seat that told you if the seat was reserved, and if so between which stations - it even had little bits of useful info on the display screens such as ' Next Station is Nottingham, please mind the gap between the train and the station platform when stepping off'.
I think the trains were brand new (they certainly looked it), and they were really nice. Heck, we even got free tea and coffee!

Posted: Fri 12 Nov, 2004 20.24
by Big Brother
Not to sound a geek but I think your talking about the HST2. The features you describe sound similar to the Virgin Cross Country trains... which yesterday I noticed also had a radio style tuner for EVERY seat with various radio stations blaring out for your headphones.

As for National Express trains you need to look further than the train seats, tables and doorways. For example if you look down the side of the seats, behind the tables in the disabled area - and in the toilets on older trains as well as the train door areas on the older trains. Often they will be filled bits of litter, newspapers, hard chewing gum and various other bits.

Since First tookover the Scotrail franchise there have been masses of improvements - apart from the lateness front because that seems to have gotten worse.

Posted: Sat 13 Nov, 2004 00.58
by jay
Big Brother wrote:Not to sound a geek but I think your talking about the HST2. The features you describe sound similar to the Virgin Cross Country trains... which yesterday I noticed also had a radio style tuner for EVERY seat with various radio stations blaring out for your headphones.

As for National Express trains you need to look further than the train seats, tables and doorways. For example if you look down the side of the seats, behind the tables in the disabled area - and in the toilets on older trains as well as the train door areas on the older trains. Often they will be filled bits of litter, newspapers, hard chewing gum and various other bits.

Since First tookover the Scotrail franchise there have been masses of improvements - apart from the lateness front because that seems to have gotten worse.
Funny you should say that, when it arrived at the station I thought it was a Virgin Train! Does look very similar. Maybe my train was spotless because it was new - but can't say I've noticed any MM Train being dirty.

Posted: Sat 13 Nov, 2004 13.13
by Aston
jay wrote:
Big Brother wrote:Not to sound a geek but I think your talking about the HST2. The features you describe sound similar to the Virgin Cross Country trains... which yesterday I noticed also had a radio style tuner for EVERY seat with various radio stations blaring out for your headphones.

As for National Express trains you need to look further than the train seats, tables and doorways. For example if you look down the side of the seats, behind the tables in the disabled area - and in the toilets on older trains as well as the train door areas on the older trains. Often they will be filled bits of litter, newspapers, hard chewing gum and various other bits.

Since First tookover the Scotrail franchise there have been masses of improvements - apart from the lateness front because that seems to have gotten worse.
Funny you should say that, when it arrived at the station I thought it was a Virgin Train! Does look very similar. Maybe my train was spotless because it was new - but can't say I've noticed any MM Train being dirty.
That'll be one of the new Midland Mainline Meridian trains, you're right - they are brand new and quite nice.

However, I'll probably be in a minority when I say that I prefer the older Intercity 125's. Midland Mainline have had all of theirs recently refurbished and very nice they are too. It's just they feel a lot more robust and safe compared to the smaller newer trains...

Posted: Sat 13 Nov, 2004 21.01
by Big Brother
I agree. I feel far safer in GNER'S old monsterous 125's than in one of Virigin's Voyager's which travel at the same speed. FirstScotrail I feel safe on as well.

I don't know what it is about Virgin trains but I just can't feel at ease with them - the look a little too plastic and fragile to be flying along the lines at 100+mph

Posted: Mon 15 Nov, 2004 11.56
by iSon
Hmmm, I'm not sure...

When I went home on Friday, it was very nice to be able to go from Euston to Nuneaton in an hour and have a plug socket for my laptop so I could watch a DVD with my bf who had accompanied me back...

However, the trip back yesterday was on an old, dirty and delapidated 125 - the journey was incredibly slow...I was inconvenienced by having to leave from Coventry and no plug socket available for my laptop. The train was also cold, which wasn't nice on a night like last night.

No, I can't rate the new Virgin trains enough. They are truly the best thing around!

I must say Midland Mainline ALWAYS did a great service though, I was never disappointed when travelling from Leicester to St Pancras, and First Class tickets are much cheaper with Midland Mainline rather than Virgin.


Travelling isn't always an enjoyable experience, but that means when I travel...it's nice to have a bit of comfort and speed. And not a toilet that smells like the people from Manchester who had previously patronised the train had pissed anywhere but in the toilet bowl. :shock:

Posted: Mon 15 Nov, 2004 12.48
by Johnny
The wrost designed LUL trains have to be The Central Line

No room for baggage, seating hard, poor lighting, poor placement of bars, windows too big so the sun shines in your eyes. Piccaddilly has it right about 30 plus seats per carriage & enought room for standing & luggage

Posted: Mon 15 Nov, 2004 18.39
by Sput
Isonstine wrote:And not a toilet that smells like the people from Manchester who had previously patronised the train had pissed anywhere but in the toilet bowl. :shock:
WELL I AM SORRY, we do try our best to aim you know...all those corners makes it difficult!

Posted: Fri 19 Nov, 2004 08.25
by Johnny
Rather worrying thing in todays metro about East London Line:

'The responsibility of funding & constructing of the East London Line has transferred fromt eh SRA to TFL, meaning tfl is now resposible for extending & upgrading the line from a tube service to a new, metro-style national rail service.'

Hopefully this means the East London Line will run more quickly than i currently does & doesn't end up as a private National Rail service as it will end up as another Thameslink2000 project. The East London Line should remain an London Underground Line!

End of Rant

Posted: Fri 19 Nov, 2004 08.27
by Johnny
Actually seems that the Metro has worded it slightly wrong. From http://www.thetube.com

Press release: November 16 2004

London takes over responsibility for building East London Line extension
Ken Livingstone, Mayor of London, today pledged to deliver the £900m extension of the East London Line to Dalston, Croydon and Crystal Place by the end of the decade.

Responsibility for the project was officially transferred to the Mayor’s transport authority, Transport for London, on November 12th. The extension forms a key part of TfL’s 5 Year £10bn Investment Programme. It will help underpin London’s bid to host the Olympic Games in 2012 and boost economic development in north east, south east and south London. The East London line will run a ‘metro’ service with trains running at Tube-style frequency.
Speaking at Canary Wharf station, Ken Livingstone said:

“Following our ground-breaking deal with the Government this summer, we are now in a position to get on and build this vital extension. It will be London’s first purpose-built metro rail service providing a vital north-south link and triggering up to £10 billion worth of economic development in some of London’s most deprived boroughs.

“The decision will be a big boost for everyone in north east and south London who have campaigned for this vital project. It will be completed by 2010 and will powerfully boost transport capacity for the Olympic Games.”

Bob Kiley, London’s Transport Commissioner said:

“Delivering this extension of the East London line is a major challenge for TfL and the work now starts in earnest. Our focus now is to get the right team in place and build on TfL’s experience of delivering transport improvements to take the East London line project forward. There will inevitably be some disruption as the work progresses, but the end result will deliver much needed transport improvements for both east and south London.”

The East London Line will be built in two phases. Phase 1 will extend the existing line north to Dalston Junction and south to Crystal Palace and West Croydon. This extension will be completed by June 2010 in good time to support a successful Olympic bid. It will reduce overcrowding at London Bridge station and provide frequent services for passengers travelling from south of London to the Olympic Park. Phase 2 will further extend the line west to Clapham Junction and connect the North London Line stations at Canonbury and Highbury and Islington.

NOTES TO EDITORS:

The new line will eventually form part of an “orbital” rail service for London relieving congestion at central London stations and making many journeys much quicker and easier.
In phase 1, four new stations will be built at Dalston Junction, Haggerston and Hoxton and Shoreditch High Street. Another new station will be built at Surrey Canal Road during phase 2.
Train frequency on phase 1 will be 12 trains an hour from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays. When phase 2 is completed, the train service will rise to 16 trains an hour in each direction through the central section.
If current tube line continued, passenger numbers would increase to 11.6m by 2011 – the new railway will carry 35.4m (phase 1). More than 50m passengers will use the line when both phases are complete.
Phase 1 of the new line will transfer an estimated 1.4 million journeys from road to rail – rising to two million when phase 2 is complete.
The Investment Programme follows a ground-breaking agreement with the Government giving London’s transport authority, Transport for London (TfL), certainty over funding for the next five years. For the first time ever, TfL has been allowed to borrow to get major projects moving and will be spending £10bn on capital projects over the next five years.