Conservatives

[Gavin Scott]

Without wanting to sound like a socialist, it's a tax on self-indulgence - which I think the country really needs. It's only an extra 25p for every £10 you spend. The money needs to come from somewhere.

'Tax the bankers' won't work because they'll only pass the cost on to us anyway, and 'tax the rich' won't work either because they'll either lay workers off, increase their prices or take their money somewhere else.

Yeh so they might as well be off the hook, cos what's the point, eh?

Great reasoning there chie.

[Chie]

Yeh so they might as well be off the hook, cos what's the point, eh?

Great reasoning there chie.

It's about knowing which side your bread's buttered, Gavin. Do you want to drive away jobs, money and investment to other countries?

[Jovis]

Yes, Hyma has said what I was getting at.

It's about know which side your bread's buttered, Gavin. Do you want to drive away jobs, money and investment to other countries?

Oh let them go then! I don't care! If they don't wish to contribute to the 'upkeep' of the country and all it's people, why should they live here?

[barcode]

its like the NI raises. People in this country want a GOOD public service like the NHS but there be DAM to hell if there want to PAY for the services.

[Gavin Scott]

Yeh so they might as well be off the hook, cos what's the point, eh?

Great reasoning there chie.

It's about knowing which side your bread's buttered, Gavin. Do you want to drive away jobs, money and investment to other countries?

Chie, your bread is bought and buttered by other people - so you know hee-haw about how VAT increases hit real people.

Everyone will be taxed heavily in the coming years to pay off our deficit. Are you honestly suggesting that the wealthiest (and those who needed the bail out in the first place) should be spared?

Is that where your head is at?

[Chie]

Chie, your bread is bought and buttered by other people - so you know hee-haw about how VAT increases hit real people.

That's not true. We've already established all of this.

Everyone will be taxed heavily in the coming years to pay off our deficit. Are you honestly suggesting that the wealthiest (and those who needed the bail out in the first place) should be spared?

Is that where your head is at?

I'm not saying they should be spared, I'm just saying that we shouldn't expect them to shoulder the entire burden. Some people genuinely seem to think they ought to.

Perhaps a blanket VAT increase could be avoided by applying VAT to products that are currently exempt, but shouldn't be. It's ridiculous that VAT doesn't apply to salt, additives, ready meals, sugar and coffee. Think of all those people who happily throw away £3 on a cappuccino or whatever every day, they're not even paying bloody VAT on it.

[Gavin Scott]

That's not true. We've already established all of this.

No - You said you do all your own vacuuming and laundry and cook for yourself. As well you should.

How much money (cash money) do you contribute to living expenses? I ask because its analogous to those most vocifeoursly opposed to the Licence Fee on TVF being too young to pay for it, or any other form of bill or subscription.

Without a frame of reference then the arguments posed are worthless.

I'm not saying they should be spared, I'm just saying that we shouldn't expect them to shoulder the entire burden. Some people genuinely seem to think they ought to.

Perhaps a blanket VAT increase could be avoided by applying VAT to products that are currently exempt, but shouldn't be. It's ridiculous that VAT doesn't apply to salt, additives, ready meals, sugar and coffee. Think of all those people who happily throw away £3 on a cappuccino or whatever every day, they're not even paying bloody VAT on it.

Rubbish. All foodstuffs prepared by someone else in restaurants, cafes and coffee shops are subject to VAT.

[Chie]

No - You said you do all your own vacuuming and laundry and cook for yourself. As well you should.

How much money (cash money) do you contribute to living expenses? I ask because its analogous to those most vocifeoursly opposed to the Licence Fee on TVF being too young to pay for it, or any other form of bill or subscription.

Without a frame of reference then the arguments posed are worthless.

I buy all my own food and prepare it myself as well. You said someone else buys it and butters it for me, which is complete nonsense.

Rubbish. All foodstuffs prepared by someone else in restaurants, cafes and coffee shops are subject to VAT.

Ok. But it doesn't apply to cold food and beverages that aren't intended for consumption on the premises - so that exempts take-away frappucinos. And their astronomically expensive sandwiches.

Anyway, the point still stands that VAT should be applied to sugar, salt, additives and ready meals.

[Gavin Scott]

No - You said you do all your own vacuuming and laundry and cook for yourself. As well you should.

How much money (cash money) do you contribute to living expenses? I ask because its analogous to those most vocifeoursly opposed to the Licence Fee on TVF being too young to pay for it, or any other form of bill or subscription.

Without a frame of reference then the arguments posed are worthless.

I buy all my own food and prepare it myself as well. You said someone else buys it and butters it for me, which is complete nonsense.

Rubbish. All foodstuffs prepared by someone else in restaurants, cafes and coffee shops are subject to VAT.

Ok. But it doesn't apply to cold food and beverages which aren't intended for consumption on the premises - so that exempts take-away frappucinos. And their astronomically expensive sandwiches.

Anyway, the point still stands that VAT should be applied to sugar, salt, additives and ready meals.

I'm sorry but I don't believe you pay for your own food. How can I? You don't work and say you don't claim benefits.

I don't know anyone who is "self employed" who sits up 'til 5am on internet forums.

Call me a bastard if you like - but I'm sorry, if it doesn't make sense, its not true.

Putting VAT on salt (quite apart from it being essential to live on) is nonsense, and wouldn't plug a hole in my piggy bank, never mind Britain's deficit.

No - tax is going to have to be raised in more severe methods than that if we have a hope of getting out of this deficit - and for the tories to start announcing tax breaks for the married is preposterous at this moment in time - not to mention utterly unfair anyway.

[Chie]

There's no such thing as common sense, Gavin. What I do is my business - you'll just have to take my word for it. Have you not considered that I might be working at the same time as posting on internet forums, just as you are now?

VAT on salt would mean processed food manufacturers who use salt as an ingredient would have to pay VAT on it. Surely that would raise quite a bit of money and encourage them to use less salt in their products at the same time.

I agree with you about the marriage tax breaks, I can't condone it.

[Pete]

So basically you wank on webcams for money?