Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri 18 Jan, 2019 14.11
I do like that letter from the German people, however it does fail to mention the £39Bn it would need to find once we leave...
They would save that on Farage's salary and expenses alone.
To put it in language Metropol would understand:bilky asko wrote: ↑Fri 18 Jan, 2019 10.06The referendum was a vote between two options; this vote by MPs was whether or not to accept one option. Not quite the same thing.
Existed.
Love such a coherent, well-argued post.barcode wrote: ↑Sat 19 Jan, 2019 00.00 Everyone is to blame for this crisis including the EU, they will not come out of this great. Labour, tories, leave group, remain group are not great either. The biggest problem is from the Pro eu people like in Edinburgh who "say stuff like "Of course the EU has faults and it needs to change, but we need to be in it to do this" Its like there admit it's shite but we should stay in shite place..
All this eu money which is our money first off, wouldn't be spent in X OR Y... No one can actually say this, mind some stuff that get built is just questionable.
The EU is not to blame for this crisis. Remember the referendum itself was meant to be on a deal that Scameron negotiated in the weeks before June 2016 which again involved concession and compromise from Brussels. And even after the referendum, they are the only ones so far to have compromised, been flexible and even kept the door of cancelling Brexit without precondition open. They have 27 other members, all of which have agreed to May's deal. 27 separate and disparate COUNTRIES have got behind this deal, whereas May couldn't even get 22 of her government colleagues to get behind it and they flounced off.
You cannot group those folks into four single entities. There are Tories who remain pro-remain, there are Tories who are pro hard-Brexit. Similarly Labour's leadership is at the moment, for typically loony reasons, pro-Brexit, despite the majority of the PLP and the VAST majority of the membership, even the braindead Momentumites, being pro-Remain. Similarly because there was a disparate group of Leave groups - from the "official" Vote Leave group which lied on the side of its bus, to GrassRootsOut which was Farage's little band of loonies, to Leave.EU which was the Banksite group who produce all the racist promotional material - you can't lump all "leavers" together in one lump - some on the Leave side are advocating for Norway+ / Switzerland / EEA type Brexit, some are advocating for Enid Blyton Land.Labour, tories, leave group, remain group are not great either.
Sounds eminently sensible to me. If I want to be a member of a club, I have to abide by its rules. Else I can either vote to change the rules when the opportunity presents itself, or I can find another club. Unfortunately there are no other clubs in town except that transatlantic one on the corner run by that shady fake Aryan pussy grabber.The biggest problem is from the Pro eu people like in Edinburgh who "say stuff like "Of course the EU has faults and it needs to change, but we need to be in it to do this" Its like there admit it's shite but we should stay in shite place..
I can't fix a car unless I'm a mechanic. I can't paint a room unless I'm a decorator. If I'm neither of those things and I want something changed, I have to pay someone to do it. The UK government has proven time and again it cannot be arsed or trusted to deliver infrastructure and other funding that is needed by its deprived areas, as far as Westminster is concerned all the money should go to the SE of England and screw the rest of us. That's why there's £100bn being pumped into HS2 and trains in Exeter, Cardiff and t'North still have Pacers, even this year when DDA regulations come in. The EU has funded projects which may on face value not be "worth" very much but subjectivity is what it is. And the fact is you may have had an EU funded project that benefits you but you may not know about it because this country is very reticent to slap the EU flag on something. The UK (and devolved) governments are forever funding projects that are no use to me - such as HS2 or Crossrail - and forever ripping the rug from under other projects that may be (such as the Swansea Tidal Bay Lagoon). But that's the thing with centralised govt for a population of 65m - all the money goes into one pot and 300-odd half-witted morons get to choose what to do with it and the other 350-odd try and stop them.All this eu money which is our money first off, wouldn't be spent in X OR Y... No one can actually say this, mind some stuff that get built is just questionable.
I'm not sure they asked to be put there.bilky asko wrote: ↑Sun 20 Jan, 2019 21.47 The EU funded logo that I remember was for one of the Work Programme providers, taking pride of place on their timesheets.
I believe there is actually a requirement to show the logo if they are in receipt of EU funding.WillPS wrote: ↑Tue 22 Jan, 2019 09.37I'm not sure they asked to be put there.bilky asko wrote: ↑Sun 20 Jan, 2019 21.47 The EU funded logo that I remember was for one of the Work Programme providers, taking pride of place on their timesheets.
The company I ran was indirectly in receipt of EU funding. We had the option of displaying the logo, but didn't (because our competitors didn't, and it felt unseemly).bilky asko wrote: ↑Tue 22 Jan, 2019 11.22I believe there is actually a requirement to show the logo if they are in receipt of EU funding.WillPS wrote: ↑Tue 22 Jan, 2019 09.37I'm not sure they asked to be put there.bilky asko wrote: ↑Sun 20 Jan, 2019 21.47 The EU funded logo that I remember was for one of the Work Programme providers, taking pride of place on their timesheets.