2015 UK Election

all new Phil · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 11.33

Alexia wrote:SNP ruled out working with Tories. They are not compatible. Look what happened to LieDowns in last 5 years. Will Sturgeon risk THAT? Cameron won't give up ANYTHING on the union, nor Trident.

Or have you been reading tonight's Telegraph?

They all rule out working with each other. Tories will offer them more autonomy than Labour - they could sell it as near-on independence from Westminster. Both sides would win out of this arrangement.

Which party gave Scotland a vote on independence?

DTV · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 13.54

The SNP would never do a deal with the Conservatives of any kind as they would know it would be suicide - they'd lose a hell of a lot of support and would probably lose control of Holyrood. There is not a chance in hell of the SNP doing a deal with the Conservatives. Furthermore, the story in the Telegraph reeks of horseshit - probably leaked by somebody with connections to Labour in order to regain a footing in Scotland. Everyone seems to have seen straight through it.

dosxuk · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 14.09

Five years ago you'd be likely to see posts along the lines of

The Lib Dems would never do a deal with the Conservatives of any kind as they would know it would be suicide - they'd lose a hell of a lot of support and wouldn't have a hope of getting any of their policies through anyway. There is not a chance in hell of the Lib Dems doing a deal with the Conservatives. Furthermore, the story in the Telegraph reeks of horseshit - probably leaked by somebody with connections to Labour in order to try and stop floating voters going towards Clegg. Everyone seems to have seen straight through it.

Alexia · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 14.35

all new Phil wrote:Which party gave Scotland a vote on independence?

Do you think the Tories would have even contemplated that without the 2011 Scottish Parliament election result giving the SNP a working majority in Holyrood and thus forcing the issue? Whichever party was in power between 10 and 15 would have been almost obliged to offer SOMETHING.

barcode · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 17.01

There is a VERY BIG difference between Lib dem and the SNP. SNP have another election next may for the Holywood, so can people click?

DTV · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 19.49

dosxuk wrote:Five years ago you'd be likely to see posts along the lines of
The Lib Dems would never do a deal with the Conservatives of any kind as they would know it would be suicide - they'd lose a hell of a lot of support and wouldn't have a hope of getting any of their policies through anyway. There is not a chance in hell of the Lib Dems doing a deal with the Conservatives. Furthermore, the story in the Telegraph reeks of horseshit - probably leaked by somebody with connections to Labour in order to try and stop floating voters going towards Clegg. Everyone seems to have seen straight through it.

The Lib Dems and the SNP are completely different - A) The Nick Clegg (Orange Bookers) faction of the Lib Dems are fairly similar to the ideology of the touch feely Tories - Sturgeon is not ideologically similar to Cameron in any way. B) The SNP are a centre-left progressive party where as the Lib Dems and the Conservatives are both varying degrees of right. C) The SNP are a Scottish party and know how toxic Conservatism has been in Scotland since 1966. D) The SNP have got something to lose - the Holyrood elections next May, the Lib Dems had nothing of that calibre to lose. E) The SNP also have the benefit of hindsight and have seen what this coalition has done to the Liberal Democrats. F) The progressive alliance have constantly implied that they would be willing to do a deal/alliance or even at points coalition with Labour but have constantly reiterated no deal of any kind with the Tories.

all new Phil · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 21.56

You mark my words - the Tories will make them an offer they can't refuse. It's in their interests long-term to do so. Why would the Scottish people mind what would effectively be Tories in power in England and the SNP in Scotland?

barcode · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 22.18

all new Phil wrote:You mark my words - the Tories will make them an offer they can't refuse. It's in their interests long-term to do so. Why would the Scottish people mind what would effectively be Tories in power in England and the SNP in Scotland?

Mark my word, your lost it now. Be aware If there do, She'll be finished, and Labour will take Holyrood elections next May, with not a problem.

all new Phil · Sat 04 Apr, 2015 22.26

With respect, I completely disagree.

thegeek · Sun 05 Apr, 2015 16.04

dosxuk wrote:Five years ago you'd be likely to see posts along the lines of
The Lib Dems would never do a deal with the Conservatives of any kind as they would know it would be suicide - they'd lose a hell of a lot of support and wouldn't have a hope of getting any of their policies through anyway. There is not a chance in hell of the Lib Dems doing a deal with the Conservatives. Furthermore, the story in the Telegraph reeks of horseshit - probably leaked by somebody with connections to Labour in order to try and stop floating voters going towards Clegg. Everyone seems to have seen straight through it.

Clegg came out before the last election and said that the party with the most seats should have an opportunity to form a government. The Tories had the most seats and offered the Lib Dems a chance to go into coalition.

Sturgeon has recently said the SNP "would never go into coalition with the Tories or prop them up in government." I'm minded to believe her.

Critique · Sun 05 Apr, 2015 19.59

I have always thought that an SNP/Conservative coalition would be unlikely, and this belief was only reinforced by an an article published today, written by Nicola Sturgeon for the Observer, where she proposes that Labour join with the SNP after the election to 'lock Cameron out of Downing Street'. Surely this shows that a Con/SNP coalition is very unlikely?