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Alexia
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 14.28

cwathen wrote:
Sat 13 Oct, 2018 11.07
Was surprised to see that GWR have GWR'd up their pacers even though they're going soon (sometimes between December and March apparently). They do actually look quite smart with a repaint, even though they're the same tired old trains underneath.
Pacer withdrawal will be December 2019 as the new DDA regs start in Jan 2020.
I was even more surprised to hear that they're cascading out the 153's to TFW. They are a useful way of extending a service by an extra carriage and there is nothing else like them around. I thought their final fate would be to be permanently coupled up to a 150 to create 3 carriage trains rather than withdrawing them.
Could possibly be due to storage capacity in the new upcoming Exeter depot that will be holding all the extant 15x stock once the Turbo cascade is complete.
Although I'd heard the 150/1s were going, I didn't realise their withdrawal was almost complete and they only had 1 unit left in service (which I saw, and didn't bother taking a picture of as didn't realise until later that it was the only one left). Not heard anything about 150001 & 002 (the original 3 carriage prototypes) - are they staying with GWR?
150001/2 are staying I believe because they've had full internal refurbs as well as external - in fact I was on 150002 the other day, she scrubs up well.
Also, where are the 158's that were supposed to move west once the Turbos started taking over the Bristol area services? The turbo cascade seems pretty much complete, yet I didn't see any 158's at all running around Devon.
Still some Turbos being used in Thames valley while 800 sets rolling out. Also perfect storm of 15x unit maintenance backlog, Turbo ride height modification backlog, engineering work and unit refurbishment programme overrunning.
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Sat 13 Oct, 2018 23.57

cwathen wrote:
Sat 13 Oct, 2018 11.07
No longer living in Devon (and no longer using the railway that much any more either), I'm a bit out of the loop with the cascade plan down there.

Was surprised to see that GWR have GWR'd up their pacers even though they're going soon (sometimes between December and March apparently). They do actually look quite smart with a repaint, even though they're the same tired old trains underneath. Still have the old Wales & West safety announcement on them too (I was hoping they'd press the wrong button and I'd get to hear the 'steward will be shortly be passing through with a trolley service of drinks & light refreshments' announcement which seems to happen once in a while, but no such luck).
Trains get repainted more than you might think - typically these days TOCs opt to use the very cheapest paint which only has a warranty of 5 or so years (in line with their expectations in terms of franchise length). The terms of their rolling stock lease dictates that paint jobs have to be kept 'in warranty'. Since they had to put something on, might as well have been green...

Both Northern and South West Trains had trains repainted in the same (or very similar) livery in the period between confirmation they were not going to continue and the end of their franchises. On the surface it seems bonkers, but that's the state of privatisation in the 2010s.
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Martin Phillp
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Sun 14 Oct, 2018 02.40

I noticed that London Overground's Class 378 units are getting a refurb already after 8 years of service on the East London Line to closely match the new 710s for the Gospel Oak/Barking and the Watford DC line.
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thegeek
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Sun 14 Oct, 2018 17.11

Martin Phillp wrote:
Sun 14 Oct, 2018 02.40
I noticed that London Overground's Class 378 units are getting a refurb already after 8 years of service on the East London Line to closely match the new 710s for the Gospel Oak/Barking and the Watford DC line.

The class 710s have finally had Network Rail type approval, and are out accumulating miles:
Alexia
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Sun 14 Oct, 2018 21.53

Not fond of that black. Not sure what purpose it serves.
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Mon 15 Oct, 2018 00.53

At least the green in the moquette stops it looking too similar to the old District line D Stock one.
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Mon 15 Oct, 2018 08.15

the black is horrid. prefer the old moquette. still don't like non-yellow ends.

so it's a no from me.
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Mon 15 Oct, 2018 14.36

Not my region, but Google News likes to tell me a lot about trains in Wales...

This popped up in my news feed the other day. Out of interest, I went to watch the video...
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north- ... y-15256289

Marvel at the camera work at the start of the video and be amazed at the "photographer's" positioning as they manage to completely silhouette the train as it enters the station, hiding all of the branding they were attempting to highlight.

I didn't get any further than the second shot.
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Thu 25 Oct, 2018 18.11

This it what it should look like:

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Bit odd to have a T for a logo as normally we'd have a variation involving a W for Wales or most likely a C for Cymru (because we all speak Welsh in Wales you see) However, the new franchise is the first to be overseen by the Welsh Assembly and TfW is to cover other forms of transport too such as bus links and (eventually) trams which is probably why they're focussing on T for Transport. No explanation as to why that T looks like it could be off a 1980s telephone directory though.

Anyway as tends to happen with these things, we haven't quite got the new livery yet:

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Amusingly, customers organised a party in Cardiff Central Station to celebrate the last night of Arriva Trains Wales. Thousands signed up on Facebook, and a sizeable amount turned up but security were waiting at the entrance and refused them entry.
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Thu 25 Oct, 2018 19.12

The much-delayed Sheffield to Rotherham "tram-train" extension started running its first public services this morning... until mid-afternoon, when a truck crashed into one of the new units on a crossroads, derailed it, and suspended the line. 🤦‍♂️
Alexia
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Fri 26 Oct, 2018 02.21

Whataday wrote:
Thu 25 Oct, 2018 18.11
This it what it should look like:

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And this is what it *does* look like on the Class 175. Note to London Overground - THIS is how you do a black-out of windows to make a train look good.
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No explanation as to why that T looks like it could be off a 1980s telephone directory though.
Brand design was done by a Welsh agency called Smorgasbord http://www.smorgasbordstudio.com. Very reminiscient of Transrail, one of the privatised freight operators which existed briefly in the 1990s.
Anyway as tends to happen with these things, we haven't quite got the new livery yet:
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See above for 175.... Pacers won't be getting it. 158s will eventually, only 5 years after their major interior refresh. No word on the Gerald set, or the 150s.
Amusingly, customers organised a party in Cardiff Central Station to celebrate the last night of Arriva Trains Wales. Thousands signed up on Facebook, and a sizeable amount turned up but security were waiting at the entrance and refused them entry.
It was a farce. Never advertise a spontaneous gathering of disgruntled drunken idiots who think something magical is going to happen overnight to improve the service on Facebook and expect to get away with it.
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