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thegeek
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Sun 11 Nov, 2018 17.10

So the London Overground 710 testing has stalled somewhat... but a second 172 has now gone off-lease, and they've now only got 6 units for the 6 diagram GOBLIN service. Two were out of service for maintenance today. It's my local line, but I'm glad I don't have to rely on it because it's going to be an unpredictable shambles over the next few weeks.
Martin Phillp
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Sun 11 Nov, 2018 20.40

I went on a refurbished 378 on the East London Line. The livery looks awful, but the moquette looks a lot better to the human eye, while the seats are no longer hard as rock.
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thegeek
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Fri 12 Jul, 2019 16.54

Maybe not such a crazy idea, given the road network in that part of the world: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/ne ... per-train/
cwathen
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Tue 13 Aug, 2019 20.49

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-49323007

Can't say this is particularly surprising...but despite being told that Pacers absolutely, 100%, must go by the end of 2019, DDA regs mandate it and all that, Northern are still going to be using some of them into 2020 after all. How many 'some' might be is unclear...Northern claim 'a small number' however given that less than 4 months before withdrawal is supposed to be complete they only have a total of 7 out of 102 units replaced I would suggest 'quite a lot' might be closer to the truth.

They're not being scrapped upon withdrawal either. The Pacers will be stored so they can be made available 'in exceptional circumstances'.

Also, the vast majority of GWR's 'Castle Set' short-formed HSTs which are supposed to be full refurbishments with electric plug doors and retention toilets to comply with new legislation are so far nothing more than FGW-liveried HST stock shortened to 4 carriages but otherwise unchanged from their last refurb in 2006-2008. Are they on track to achieve full refurb of the stock they'll be keeping by the end of the year? I doubt it.
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Pete
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Tue 13 Aug, 2019 22.55

cwathen wrote:
Tue 13 Aug, 2019 20.49
Also, the vast majority of GWR's 'Castle Set' short-formed HSTs which are supposed to be full refurbishments with electric plug doors and retention toilets to comply with new legislation are so far nothing more than FGW-liveried HST stock shortened to 4 carriages but otherwise unchanged from their last refurb in 2006-2008. Are they on track to achieve full refurb of the stock they'll be keeping by the end of the year? I doubt it.
I believe the same company is doing the refurbs of these and the ScotRail Inter7City sets. And they're running massively behind, blaming higher than expected levels of corrosion and the fact they were all hand built in the 70s for the delays.

Which incidentally is the same set of excuses they trotted out when they took ages refurbing the Tyne and Wear Metros between 2010-2015.

More likely, they give unrealistic timescales.

Also the habit of not having prototypes really is backfiring. The 800/801/802s being threatened with withdrawal if they don't come up with a fix for the intercar connectors being basically ladders onto the roof. The Sleeper Mk 5's having endless software problems. The 710s being late due to issues with commissioning, the new Northern stock from CAF also being late. The ScotRail 385s(?) with their curved windscreens that had to all be replaced...

Build a prototype, fix the bugs on there, then build the fleet. Instead the modern method of build the entire fleet and then pay loads and spend ages fixing them when in service.
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Wed 14 Aug, 2019 00.18

They regularly use Pacers on the line that stops near me and, I don’t know, they seem alright to me 🤷‍♂️ They get from A to B and are just as reliable than any others, if not more so. Wheelchairs can get on and off. Just.
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Wed 14 Aug, 2019 00.27

all new Phil wrote:
Wed 14 Aug, 2019 00.18
They regularly use Pacers on the line that stops near me and, I don’t know, they seem alright to me 🤷‍♂️ They get from A to B and are just as reliable than any others, if not more so. Wheelchairs can get on and off. Just.
They make an awful squealing noise when on the slightest curvature or when braking, they're not crash safe, the ride quality is awful, at least one I've been on had some issue with the doors at every station meaning long waits to alight or board... they're significantly worse than Sprinters, and look even worse when they've decided to bring in the Pacers onto our local service, and then add in some Class 170s.

Though, to be honest, the local buses show up the Pacers.
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Wed 14 Aug, 2019 14.17

Fun fact, the government sold the Pacers to ROSCOs in 1997 for the grand total of £0.00, on the grounds they were life expired.

The ROSCOs have since loaned them out for a five-figure per-unit annual rental, with almost 0 investment from them in the fleet during that period.

It's disgraceful.
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cwathen
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Thu 15 Aug, 2019 23.04

bilky asko wrote:
Wed 14 Aug, 2019 00.27
all new Phil wrote:
Wed 14 Aug, 2019 00.18
They regularly use Pacers on the line that stops near me and, I don’t know, they seem alright to me 🤷‍♂️ They get from A to B and are just as reliable than any others, if not more so. Wheelchairs can get on and off. Just.
They make an awful squealing noise when on the slightest curvature or when braking, they're not crash safe, the ride quality is awful, at least one I've been on had some issue with the doors at every station meaning long waits to alight or board... they're significantly worse than Sprinters, and look even worse when they've decided to bring in the Pacers onto our local service, and then add in some Class 170s.

Though, to be honest, the local buses show up the Pacers.
I'm a little bit mixed on them. In 2007 when FGW suddenly got deluged with First North Western liveried 142s which still had the original low backed bench seating it did seem a bit ridiculous that these trains were still in use, especially since this was done so that the 150's could be cascaded back onto services which had been run by 158's, so everything seemed to take a step back from the operation Wessex Trains ran the previous year.

A few years on, the mad diagrams these things ended up on (like the early evening Paignton-Bristol service that was booked to be a Pacer!) also seemed bizarre when much more suitable stock to run these services was often piddling around on short journeys.

But these days when GWR only have a small fleet of 8 143's which have had a refurb and are about as smart as pacers get running largely on modern welded track and now only used on the 'Devon Metro' they don't seem so bad. They are also the only remaining stock on which you can still hear the old Wales & West safety announcement (and still occasionally, 'This is a Wessex Alphaline train. The steward will shortly be making their way through with a trolly service of drinks and light refreshments' if the wrong button gets pressed!) which will be a bit of an end of an era after 20 years of use when they go.

On dodgy maintenance though - anyone else in the south west remember that 143 with a huge crack in the driver's cab partition which for years was 'fixed' with stickers???!!?? I'm sure I have a picture of it somewhere.
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