Local Elections

[James Martin]

Local elections are coming.

Who will you vote for?

[onetrickpony]

Well who are you voting for?

I am voting for LAB, my first vote.

[James Martin]

Conservative for me.

At the massive risk of getting a massive kicking, I am nonetheless getting more and more tempted to vote BNP (if there were a candidate standing.)

Although I believe that some of their practices are questionable, they have tried very hard to bring important issues to the country's attention.

[onetrickpony]

Tempted to vote the BNP - that puts everything in a clearer picture now, with the warped views you have.

[Sput]

As soon as I saw a politics thread started by James Martin, I *knew* it was going to read in the "I'm ever so tempted to vote BNP because whilst <something shallow but vaguely mitigating> I feel <something very telling>" vein.

My only question is whether you use these threads as an opportunity to big up the BNP because most other people see through their glib interpretation of the world, or you're just trying to get a rise out of us.

So, and bearing in mind this is the third outing of such a thread by you James, which is it?

[Stuart*]

Sput - just go for the IGNORE bit

[James Martin]

So, and bearing in mind this is the third outing of such a thread by you James, which is it?

We're entitled to our own opinions. The UK is a democracy.

You might be entitled to think you're God's fucking gift but I've got a right to think that you're an absoloute cretin.

[Pete]

Sput - just go for the IGNORE bit

Yes because you're so good at ignoring the mental aren't you.

[Stuart*]

We're entitled to our own opinions. The UK is a democracy.

Which is why we vote in a SECRET BALLOT meaning we don't publicise our views, and if we do it is in a non-representational way.

Pointless thread!

[Sput]

You might be entitled to think you're God's fucking gift but I've got a right to think that you're an absoloute cretin.

This isn't about voicing an opinion, you've done that the last two times. Now I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why you think you need to start this thread again EVERY time there's a local election, and why you feel it necessary for us to hear about who you're going to vote for. Are you so desperate to be heard now you're not on the radio any more that this is the only outlet for your babble?

[Mich]

Trying to stop this turning into a World vs JM battle (there are only so many the world can win before it becomes boring) - WHY would you consider voting for their policies?

Which one of these floating turds of policy do you actually like?

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!
On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the 'positive discrimination' schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers', all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

The "Native British people", what? That is a myth, we are a mongrel nation - that is one of the greatest things about Britain. It has given us (BNP supporters exempt) a very accepting and fair culture.

Please tell me how immigration is actually a bad thing... in the words of Marcus Brigstocke talking about two Polish men working on his bathroom; who asked if it was all right to work late to get the job finished.

"No, not coming over here and taking our jobs, they're coming over here and doing our jobs."

There is no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker.

EUROPE - back to British independence!
We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain's family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.

I'm not that crazy about the EU but this policy has no substance. Fine leave the EU, then what? Membership of the EEA would be vital; at least being in the EU we would get to decide what the policy is.

"Self-sufficiency"? Why? Would you castigate imports from Birmingham to London.

... and I bet that £43m/day figure is bollocks.

LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!
The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the 'rights' of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.

n a utopia that would be lovely to free the police from paperwork, but I don't trust them to *always* be correct; that paperwork is designed to provide accountability.
Capital and Corporal Punishment? Why? Do they work to lower crime levels?

Guilt proven beyond all doubt is very rare. The existence of a death penalty is something I find deeply unsavoury and barbaric.

ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour's statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.

This is all utter, utter tripe.
I can see no argument for trade barriers, to suggest increasing them shows absolutely no understanding of the concept of "Comparative Advantage" (look it up on Wikipedia).

Fiddling unemployment figures has been going on since we could count to more than five and certainly isn't something Labour invented.
Land and economy to "British" ownership - why? See the free trade argument above.

The argument for favouring British workers will breakdown, in the same way as a free labour market *should* eliminate discrimination. What are they defining as British now?

The Competition Commission (and the EU - thanks guys) will keep any monopolies in check; and why should the government push people into sharesave plans? If people want to do it, the option is there.

EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!
We are against the 'trendy' teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.

Trendy teaching methods such as helping people with dyslexia rather than calling them "thick" and ignoring them? Who says we are so poorly educated?

Teaching discipline, lovely idea - how do you achieve it - letting teachers handle pupils and restrain them? Just one step from that to "Teacher beats me up" on every front page.

AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!
We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain's farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation's need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain's once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.

'm all for scrapping the CAP, but i'd rather let the free market decide what it wants produced rather than a government.

Again, why self-sufficient?

HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!
We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

Nice, you don't like unemployment figures being fiddled, but you are happy with someone deciding who is "British" enough to get healthcare. Do you not think that if budgets get a little tight the restriction of "British" may be a little tighter?

More beds? The actual number of physical beds isn't the problem it is the staff to service them. So, just more staff and more pay? From where, more tax?

How are you going to promote healthy living?

TRANSPORT - time to invest!
Increased investment is needed in Britain's public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.

"The fiasco of rail privatisation"? What? How do you define that? If you actually read into the privatisation it was done quite well, Railtrack apart, and more ROSCOs would have been a good idea.
"Higher fares and lower safety"? Any sources on those sweeping statements?
You want lower fares to persuade people to use trains, but then you want to cut fuel tax as well (that'll help you fund those extras "beds") an action that would do nothing to encourage train use.

"Crime and squalor" - What? Please tell me how crime stops people using public transport.

Where are all of these hidden speed cameras? There was one near me (and unfortunately you) in a national paper that was supposedly hidden, apart from being bright yellow, clearly signed and unobstructed it was totally hidden!

How are you going to encourage cleaner fuels, low tax on them, like we have already?

ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!
Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. "The polluter pays to clean up the mess" must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale.

"The polluter pays principle" is a wonderful thing - tricky to achieve but something the other parties are moving towards.

Local styles and materials? Why not let people build what they want, out of what they want? (Subject to building and planning regs)

FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.

Free trade is the best thing to help countries out of poverty, but as you are opposed to that foreign aid is vital - and I would imagine something that we are bound to be international treaties and alike. A selfish and cruel attitude.

PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!
The conditions in which many of Britain's old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.

Are they really, really? IF conditions are so bad, they are the best they have EVER been.
Why should pensions be linked to earnings, their link to inflation is the important thing.

As for the elderly should not have to sell their homes - why not? If they have an asset, why should we use more NHS "beds" to help them; and is that stance only for people who have families? "Britain: Raise a family or be a spinster in squalor"?

I suppose you want an end to inheritance tax as well? Probably the fairest tax of them ALL (externality taxes aside).

NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!
Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.

Is there actually a policy here?

DEFENCE - no more cuts!
Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain's armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain's armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling 'peace-keeping' missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

Oh more money, more NHS "beds".
You seriously want to chuck allies out of the country - insane, no one would EVER do that.
More selfish rhetoric and keeping Britain out of peace-keeping.
What are the benefits to national service (apart from not having to fiddle your unemployment stats).

FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain's interests first!
Britain's foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations' internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the 'international community', or any other country.

Oh please, more selfish rubbish - how would that actually help us? Being a pariah of the developed world.

DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!
The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct 'élite' which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.

Great more local government - that'll cost a few more NHS "beds". The BNP don't get elected, and that is because we are undemocratic? No, it is because of the crazy policies that I have de-constructed above; and that is even their latest attempt without overt racism.


What single good thing can you say about any of their policies?[/quote]